Bush - More "catholic" Than Kerry?

[nikkan_hanil]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Apr 8 2004, 02:30 PM'] Oh that'll be a great move. Gain a few anti-Catholics, lose all the faithful ones--but then again, with his pro-abortion stance, he's already lost all the faithful ones... Smart politician. [/quote]
This is crazy...I think Kerry needs a serious transfusion in Catholic morality.

I don't care what all you anti-Dubya teenagers say, I like Bush. :angry:

[Iacobus]

Hmmm, Kerry sounds like a poltican seeking office. He is going to make bad promises (like Bush did and does), spread bad info in his ads (like Bush does and did), and many other things. He is no more "stright talk express" than Bush no matter what any Dem says. But Dubya is going to have a problem (not to disagree with you dUST) with calling a decorated war hero supported by a 5 star and an other decoarted war hero (who happenes to be a republican) weak on the armed forces and natl secuirty.

Hows about we get some one running who will work with all parties and will only make promises that he truly intends to keep. I don't think the dems or the reps can give us this man or women as they stand today.

[HS_Dad]

[quote name='Jake Huether' date='Apr 8 2004, 09:48 AM']One cannot seriously wonder about this [methodists getting "it"].  Because without Apostalic succession they will NEVER get "it".[/quote]
I'm entering the church tomorrow... I agree and disagree with you depending on all that you include within "it"... How do you define "it"? Would you agree that there are many non-Catholics who have grown more in grace than some Catholics?? Just curious...

I believe that healing within the body of Christ will require tremendous work of the Holy Spirit... But one part of that is spiritual sensitivity and wisdom by Catholics of the wounds to the body by our separation. John Paul has stated in Ut Unum Sint "I have said how we are aware, as the Catholic Church, that we have received much from the witness borne by other Churches and Ecclesial Communities to certain common Christian values, from their study of those values, and even from the way in which they have emphasized and experienced them. "

and

"This leads me to state once more: "We must take every care to meet the legitimate desires and expectations of our Christian brethren, coming to know their way of thinking and their sensibilities ... The talents of each must be developed for the utility and the advantage of all."

I would encourage serious Catholics to read and meditate on Ut Unum Sint.
I would also encourage them to meditate upon the fact that today Protestants are risking their lives evangelizing in the Muslim world to love and honor Christ. Today
Protestant house churches are meeting in China in great numbers at great risk...

If we are serious about unity in the body of Christ, we must understand that churches like the A.M.E. (African Methodist Episcopal) church may have some parts of "it" that we don't fully understand. How can we achieve our true Catholicity without opening our eyes to all that Christ does through his children, separated or not.


In Him.

[HS_Dad]

Thoughts on Bush v. Kerry...

First a disclosure, although I occasionally have voted for Democrats, I don't believe I've done so except most rarely (if at all) for nearly 10 years. I have also been active in the Republican party for the past 12 years.

I'm the chairman for Bush in a city of 60,000 in MN....

I really don't understand how an orthodox Catholic could view this decision as nuanced at all.... Bush is the only one who will do anything about appointing Supreme Court justices who will interpret the law faithfully and respect the democratic process..... i.e. respect that abortion on demand is atrociously bad constitutional law and is bad from the democratic process (let alone morally atrocious) and will respect the people's desire to protect the nature of marriage as it has existed across cultures and ages as the union of one man and one woman.

Although not scriptural I "hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life..." 1 million plus annual abortions does focus my mind. The death penalty and Iraq don't compute in the same scale of things in my mind...

I sometimes wonder if there is an anti "born again" bigotry by some conservative Catholics... Separated brothers are still BROTHERS.... My formative Christian experience was being "born again" at a fundie VBS at the age of 6. (Translated into Catholic language this would be "Converted to Christ by turning from sin and repenting and yielding to the Holy Spirit.")

Policy disagreements are cool.. One can certainly make a Christian argument for more "humane" liberal social service programs, spending, etc...

But once again I wonder if there is an anti "born again" bigotry by some conservative Catholics. As someone who is committing cultural suicide and abandoning 500 years of my culture to become Catholic in obedience to God... I would hope for charity by Catholics. The Holy Spirit can heal all wounds in the body of Christ but we must yield to its stirrings....

[CreepyCrawler]

I don't care what denom Bush is, it's by your works that you know a person and Bush is defending human rights (I don't agree with some of his other social and environmental policies, but none of them are supporting murder) so I will vote for him. Kerry is bad. Whether he's Catholic or not, I wouldn't vote for him because he seems a bit insane and doesn't offer any plan for the future, he just criticizes Bush. I could do THAT. It just makes Kerry seem like more of a hypocrite to make a big deal of his Catholicism and not actually practice. I hope that it works against him, that God will use this country's anti-Catholicism for a purpose and that purpose is to not get Kerry elected (I'm trying to see the silver lining here)

[ironmonk]

It's great to see an article say what I said months ago

Bush is more Catholic than kerry.

Kerry is not Catholic - he does not hold the one faith.

Men that have no faith can separate it from their daily lives-men that do, cannot.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[Dave]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Apr 14 2004, 09:27 PM'] It's great to see an article say what I said months ago

Bush is more Catholic than kerry.

Kerry is not Catholic - he does not hold the one faith.

Men that have no faith can separate it from their daily lives-men that do, cannot.


[/quote]
Amen!!!!

[M.SIGGA]

I've made my point that I'm voting Rep in this election because the Church is making me and Kerry would permit baby-killing, but there is an eerily bitter undertone in this thread ...

Seeing both Gandhi and Bush would potentially respect human life to some extent close to Catholic teaching greater than Kerry, and also reject the Pope's authority, the significance of Mary, and the Eucharist; so Is Gandhi more Catholic than Bush?

Kerry is still Catholic, a bad one, but still your baptised bro in Christ, and this is a dumpy way to promote the election. The abortion/excommunication/mortal sin issue alone is enough to make a case without stripping the guy of his baptism and confirmation. He recieved the Holy Spirit just like me and you.

[quote]Kerry is not Catholic - he does not hold the one faith.

Men that have no faith can separate it from their daily lives-men that do, cannot.[/quote]

If this is the official requirement/definition to be Catholic, I'm not either because I've sinned a million times over! Everybody give the guy a chance to repent and come home because the Church is made up of Saints (in heaven) and Sinners (you and me).

Sorry to be a "bash Kerry" thread spoiler and hope it doesn't mysteriously close or get dumped in the Alley after this post - God Bless

[BLAZEr]

I'm with you M.Sigga . . .


but honestly, I would rather have a good protestant (or a good Jew, or a good buddhist, or a good sikh) than a bad Catholic . . .

Yes, Kerry's is a Catholic, the same way that Henry the VIII was . . . up until that fateful day that his disobedience became apostasy . . . Seems to me like Der Kennedy Wannabe will be headed down that road eventually . . .

[Jake Huether]

[quote name='HS_Dad' date='Apr 9 2004, 12:58 PM'] I'm entering the church tomorrow... I agree and disagree with you depending on all that you include within "it"... How do you define "it"? Would you agree that there are many non-Catholics who have grown more in grace than some Catholics?? Just curious...

I believe that healing within the body of Christ will require tremendous work of the Holy Spirit... But one part of that is spiritual sensitivity and wisdom by Catholics of the wounds to the body by our separation. John Paul has stated in Ut Unum Sint "I have said how we are aware, as the Catholic Church, that we have received much from the witness borne by other Churches and Ecclesial Communities to certain common Christian values, from their study of those values, and even from the way in which they have emphasized and experienced them. "

and

"This leads me to state once more: "We must take every care to meet the legitimate desires and expectations of our Christian brethren, coming to know their way of thinking and their sensibilities ... The talents of each must be developed for the utility and the advantage of all."

I would encourage serious Catholics to read and meditate on Ut Unum Sint.
I would also encourage them to meditate upon the fact that today Protestants are risking their lives evangelizing in the Muslim world to love and honor Christ. Today
Protestant house churches are meeting in China in great numbers at great risk...

If we are serious about unity in the body of Christ, we must understand that churches like the A.M.E. (African Methodist Episcopal) church may have some parts of "it" that we don't fully understand. How can we achieve our true Catholicity without opening our eyes to all that Christ does through his children, separated or not.


In Him. [/quote]
Hey, welcome to the Catholic Home.

I'm sorry for not clarifying the "it". The "it" I was refering to was the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. It doesn't matter if we have communion rails in a Cathedral, or a sidewalk curb in a slum. If there is a Catholic Priest, then when he consecrates the bread and wine, there is Christ's physical presence.

Methodists may bave communion rails, they may have all the glitter and all the odds and ends, but they can never have Christ's physical presence.