Nihil Obstat Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' date='23 October 2009 - 08:28 AM' timestamp='1256304516' post='1990214'] Well if they're human [b]constructs[/b] they're not arbitrary are they? Their value depends on the extent to which they achieve their purpose. Would you like to address my objection about your comment that atheism leaves morals unnecessary? Let's not shift the conversation [/quote] Can you repost your question? My brain is all loopy because I've only had six hours of sleep and I'm not allowed to eat. [quote name='Varg' date='23 October 2009 - 08:38 AM' timestamp='1256305108' post='1990217'] How? [/quote] Did you read any of my posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varg Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 Yes, I have read your posts but you haven't said anything that makes any sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 [quote name='Varg' date='23 October 2009 - 09:17 AM' timestamp='1256307438' post='1990226'] Yes, I have read your posts but you haven't said anything that makes any sense at all. [/quote] I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varg Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 You would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 [quote name='Varg' date='23 October 2009 - 09:28 AM' timestamp='1256308129' post='1990234'] You would. [/quote] You used to respect me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varg Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) I still do, but I can't understand what you're trying to say Edited October 23, 2009 by Varg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 [quote name='Varg' date='23 October 2009 - 09:34 AM' timestamp='1256308469' post='1990237'] I still do, but I can't understand what you're trying to say [/quote] Basically, I don't think you can justify any kind of morals without acknowledging some kind of divine authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varg Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 But why? That's the bit I'm having trouble with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 [quote name='Varg' date='23 October 2009 - 01:44 PM' timestamp='1256316284' post='1990291'] But why? That's the bit I'm having trouble with [/quote] Because you have no basis for them. I don't go murdering people because its a sin, but what reason do you have not to go do whatever you want in life? If you want to rob banks, what moral reason do you have to stop you? I'm gonna have more than enough time in Purgatory, I don't need to make it longer ! This is not to say there are not good atheists or agnostics out there, but human nature being what it is, their morals are simply personal choice subject to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varg Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='23 October 2009 - 01:02 PM' timestamp='1256317335' post='1990299'] Because you have no basis for them. I don't go murdering people because its a sin, but what reason do you have not to go do whatever you want in life? If you want to rob banks, what moral reason do you have to stop you? I'm gonna have more than enough time in Purgatory, I don't need to make it longer ! This is not to say there are not good atheists or agnostics out there, but human nature being what it is, their morals are simply personal choice subject to change. [/quote] I can assure you that that view is completely misguided and wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 [quote name='Varg' date='23 October 2009 - 01:09 PM' timestamp='1256317768' post='1990301'] I can assure you that that view is completely misguided and wrong. [/quote] I am really curious to see your answers to her questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varg Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='23 October 2009 - 01:02 PM' timestamp='1256317335' post='1990299'] Because you have no basis for them. I don't go murdering people because its a sin, but what reason do you have not to go do whatever you want in life? If you want to rob banks, what moral reason do you have to stop you? [/quote]Killing is wrong and so is stealing. I don't need an ancient book and an omnipotent deity to tell me that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 true...but without an ancient book and an omnipotent deity, can you explain why it is wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servus_Mariae Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 ...adding to MIKolbe's question; why is it wrong for me to kill and steal just because you think its wrong?[u][/u] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varg Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 Because it's other people's money and they earned it, I have no right to take it from them (using the example of a bank robbery) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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