the lumberjack Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 if comings is goings and goings is comings, from whence did you come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted April 11, 2004 Author Share Posted April 11, 2004 That must be the signal for Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 11 2004, 04:19 AM'] oh my... snippets here, selective verses there... most of it...out of context. [/quote] I have seen you prooftext on this board as well. You know what they say about people who live in glass houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 Ya, the whole wooden beam in the eye thing, trying to find our splinters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 [quote name='Hananiah' date='Apr 11 2004, 01:17 PM'] I have seen you prooftext on this board as well. You know what they say about people who live in glass houses. [/quote] yeah, they shouldn't walk aroudn naked. and I do prooftext, but I remember who wrote it, to who they wrote it, and under the circumstances they wrote it....and apply it to the situation as it should be. I don't do like faith and prosperity ministers do and go around swindling money from people, proclaiming, "by His stripes we are healed!" context...if you don't use it...don't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 11 2004, 02:15 PM'] and I do prooftext, but I remember who wrote it, to who they wrote it, and under the circumstances they wrote it....and apply it to the situation as it should be. [/quote] Perhaps this is the case, but it doesn't show up on the surface. Your posts look to me just like Jason's; many verses from many different contexts strung together to try to prove a point. If in fact you are doing a deeper exegesis of Scripture, you should display it on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 [quote name='Hananiah' date='Apr 11 2004, 03:27 PM'] Perhaps this is the case, but it doesn't show up on the surface. Your posts look to me just like Jason's; many verses from many different contexts strung together to try to prove a point. If in fact you are doing a deeper exegesis of Scripture, you should display it on the board. [/quote] Hananiah, you don't like me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 more than anything else, the Bible speaks for itself, in that when the apostles wrote them, the churches and peoples they were writing to were having the same problems with doctrine. so the fact they were writing them on the same issues makes it very valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 [quote name='Jason' date='Apr 11 2004, 02:30 PM'] Hananiah, you don't like me? [/quote] It's not that I don't like you. It's just that you and lumberjack are both doing apologetics at a very basic level. Nothing against you personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Hananiah' date='Apr 11 2004, 05:46 PM'] It's not that I don't like you. It's just that you and lumberjack are both doing apologetics at a very basic level. Nothing against you personally. [/quote] They say they want things out of the Bible so that's the source I try to use to break the ice. Theology won't get you to Heaven, childlike trust is the key. Someone will catch on alot quicker with basic Theology than complex big words that bring you out in left field. Remember Jesus praised the Father from hiding these things from the learned and the wise and revealing them to the childlike. Jesus was the best Theology Teacher ever, listen to His words. God Bless Jason Edited April 12, 2004 by Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 apologetics at a very basic level...fine...I'm good with that. why not keep it basic? are you going to approach an unsaved person with the convoluted mass of information that is the tidal wave of catholic doctrine? thought not....pshaw. and Jason... I DO have childlike faith. In Christ. that is who I have faith in. "Be holy as He is holy..." ain't that written more than once in the Bible? NOT, "be holy as the church is holy" "My sheep know my voice" Christ did NOT say "My sheep know Peter's voice" I do have faith in the Body of Christ, and I love the churches in which I partake of it. I have my homechurch, THE ROCK, in San Diego...and my church by my house...there are awesome people at both...awesome pastors at both...awesome teachings at both. but it is up to the wise man to rely on GOD to be wise... not some institution of man that "takes the oh-so-heavy burden" of discerning scripture for yourself...only to bury you in a tummult of circular, semisuperstitious paperwork, and stacks of doctrine so thick and changing more than the NYSE. Psalm 118:8, 9 8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. 9 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 (edited) But Jsus did say to Peter, feed my lambs, feed my sheep, and, we are to be as wise as serpents and innocent as doves. Edited April 12, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted April 12, 2004 Author Share Posted April 12, 2004 lumber, I would feel compelled to give an unsaved person the whole truth and nothing but the truth - I am morally obligated to do so. I am not going to start them down the doomed path of the reformers but rather the constant teaching of the Church and the Sacred Scriptures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 thats exactly it...you'd give them your church teachings before the Bible... putting confidence in man...not in God. and how would you minister to an unsaved person? by carrying your WHOLE Compendium of Catholocism? or by carrying your Bible? "THE WORD OF GOD IS SHARPER THAN A TWO EDGED SWORD..." not the Roman Catholic church...not the doctrines, decrees, and documents that are constantly being "developed" the word of God. and thats what I do. amen and God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted April 25, 2004 Share Posted April 25, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 25 2004, 01:24 AM'] thats exactly it...you'd give them your church teachings before the Bible... putting confidence in man...not in God. and how would you minister to an unsaved person? by carrying your WHOLE Compendium of Catholocism? or by carrying your Bible? "THE WORD OF GOD IS SHARPER THAN A TWO EDGED SWORD..." not the Roman Catholic church...not the doctrines, decrees, and documents that are constantly being "developed" the word of God. and thats what I do. amen and God bless. [/quote] Bro, my confidence in the definitive teachings of the Catholic Church are the same as your (and my) confidence in the Bible because I believe that the Church was established by Christ and promised to be lead in all truth, and is the pillar and foundation of the truth. The Church's doctrines and teachings are Christ's doctrines and teachings because He teaches through the Church that He guides with His Spirit. It is not confidence in man for Catholics, it is confidence in God, He will never abandon His Church and let her be lead astray. And the teachings are not really seperate from the Bible because the Church's teaching charism is pretty much expounding upon the Word of God anyway. It's the infallible interpretation of Scripture given by the Church founded upon the Holy Apostles and guided down through the ages. The Word of God is central of course, but even protestants have tons of doctrines that are not given explicitly in the Bible, that is why there is so much division in protestantism. You can't have a Bible-based faith without deriving doctrines and Theological conclusions. Fortunately for Catholics our doctrines are authoritative so we know what to believe based on God's truth and promises to His Church, and not just based on opinions. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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