Imputation Of Righteousness

[Selah]

Why does Christ judge us based on our works, Stormish one?

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Stormstopper' date='07 October 2009 - 04:23 PM' timestamp='1254947004' post='1980177']
Did I or did I not say on this thread that the Protestant is not trying to DESTROY or eliminate works from faith?! [/quote]

[quote] but not simply the bare assertion that the two verses above "destroy" my faith without works argument, because they certainly do not. [/quote]

Ha, so which is it?


[quote] It's quite hysterical to me that every time I quote Scripture and history, I am always suspect, but when YOU quote the Bible, the subject is closed and you expect us to crown you queen for day.
[/quote]

Only if it's a pink and sparkly tiara. Otherwise, I refuse.

[Stormstopper]

Amusing how Selah likes to hit Martin Luther over the head with his initial questioning of the Book of James. But of course, she wouldn't dare mention that, for example, Pope Gelasius said "The Lord Jesus Christ ALONE among the sons of men, was born immaculate" (Gelassii Papae Dicta, vol 4)........

or that Pope Gregory the Great ditched 1 Macc: "We are not acting irregularly, if from the books, THOUGH NOT CANONICAL, yet brought out for the edification of the church, we bring foward testimony. Thus, Eleazar in the battle, smote and brought down the elephant, but fell under the very beast that he killed" (1 Macc 6:46).....from, "Morals on the book of Job, vol 2, parts 3 & 4, in, "A Library of the Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church", p. 424, also verified by "The New Catholic Encyclopedia" II:390.

Edited October 7, 2009 by Stormstopper

[Selah]

[quote]Amusing how Selah likes to hit Martin Luther over the head with his initial questioning of the Book of James. But of course, she wouldn't dare mention that, for example, Pope Gelasius said it belonged to Jesus Christ ALONE among the sons of men who was born immaculate" (Gelassii Papae Dicta, vol 4)........[/quote]

How about a lil source? I also have an essay I wrote on the Immaculate Conception not to long ago, including many similar quotes that were either taken out of context, translated very poorly, or just plain made up.

Again, would you like my sources? I has them. I has ALL of them

http://www.mariology.com/sections/reformers.html

^^^^ Dere you go.

I can also post my essay if you so wish

Edited October 7, 2009 by Selah

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Stormstopper' date='07 October 2009 - 04:38 PM' timestamp='1254947884' post='1980188']
or that Pope Gregory the Great ditched 1 Macc: "We are not acting irregularly, if from the books, THOUGH NOT CANONICAL, yet brought out for the edification of the church, we bring foward testimony. Thus, Eleazar in the battle, smote and brought down the elephant, but fell under the very beast that he killed" (1 Macc 6:46).....from, "Morals on the book of Job, vol 2, parts 3 & 4, in, "A Library of the Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church", p. 424, also verified by "The New Catholic Encyclopedia" II:390.
[/quote]

[b]In fact, since 382 only one council or pope had appeared to deny the canonicity of an Old Testament deuterocanonical book. Gregory the Great, writing in his Morals on the book of Job around 600, said of 1 Maccabees, "We are not acting irregularly, if from the books, though not canonical, yet brought out for the edification of the Church, we bring forward testimony. Thus, Eleazar in the battle smote and brought down the elephant but fell under the very beast that he killed" (1 Macc 6:46). This was not a formal universal teaching to the faithful; rather, it was private theological commentary on the book of Job. [u]Such a teaching is not a statement invoking papal authority, nor is it subject to or preserved by the charism of papal infallibility.[/u][/b]

Source: http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1998/9806fea2.asp

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='07 October 2009 - 03:29 PM' timestamp='1254947391' post='1980181']


What Stormstopper needs is a good editor to keep him on track.
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He also needs an editor to teach him how to use forms of emphasis other than capitalization.

[Selah]

Like [b]bold[/b], [i]italics[/i], [u]underline[/u], [s]strikethrough[/s]...

[Stormstopper]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='07 October 2009 - 03:18 PM' timestamp='1254946704' post='1980170']
Well of course he is right sometimes . . . even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Alas, this thread, like the others involving Storm, tends to jump all over the place, and really accomplishes nothing of value.
[/quote]

Oh really Apo? Nothing of value? You're the one who swallows the lie that by good works, you can become cleansed and redeemed, something Vatican 1 has said the church has "always believed". Oh no, you wouldn't think of condemning THEM without a speck of proof to back up that bunch of baloney, but instead, put a halo on them! I'd say it was an act of mercy I told you that that type of theology is anti-christian and you better RUN, not walk away from it before its too late. As for your comment that I am jumping all over the place, you simply don't have the eyes to see that this thread is on the imputation of the righteousness of Christ, and all my responses implicity REVERT BACK to that topic and is the biblical solution to the insanity demonstrated here that "Good works done in God's grace are salvific". THEY ARE NOT.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Stormstopper' date='07 October 2009 - 04:56 PM' timestamp='1254949013' post='1980206']
to the insanity demonstrated here that "Good works done in God's grace are salvific". THEY ARE NOT.
[/quote]

In Post #119, you said: [b]Did I or did I not say on this thread that the Protestant is not trying to DESTROY or eliminate works from faith?!
They never have denied it and never will. Why are you condeming me then? You're condemning me on a theological position you DO NOT UNDERSTAND, so quoting the above is completely pointless.....as if I am adhering to some sort of "la-de-da, all I have to do is believe in Jesus, and now let me see.....what grocery store can I rob today?"[/b]

You just contradicted yourself.

[Laudate_Dominum]

You need a lesson.

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[Selah]

"Even the demons believe...and tremble"

Back up your faith with works, or it means nothing.

[Stormstopper]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='07 October 2009 - 03:45 PM' timestamp='1254948343' post='1980193']
[b]In fact, since 382 only one council or pope had appeared to deny the canonicity of an Old Testament deuterocanonical book. Gregory the Great, writing in his Morals on the book of Job around 600, said of 1 Maccabees, "We are not acting irregularly, if from the books, though not canonical, yet brought out for the edification of the Church, we bring forward testimony. Thus, Eleazar in the battle smote and brought down the elephant but fell under the very beast that he killed" (1 Macc 6:46). This was not a formal universal teaching to the faithful; rather, it was private theological commentary on the book of Job. [u]Such a teaching is not a statement invoking papal authority, nor is it subject to or preserved by the charism of papal infallibility.[/u][/b]

Source: [url="http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1998/9806fea2.asp"]http://www.catholic....98/9806fea2.asp[/url]
[/quote]


In fact, Dear One, ever since the Reformation, it was probably only Mr. Luther who appeared to be having some trouble with the book of James, but later retracted. Your point?

Moreover, I did not say for one instant that Greg was speaking infallibly. As usual you have read something into my words that were not there! My goodness, would someone give this woman a wake-up pill?

Selah threw a tomatoe in the face of Luther while HE was in his private practice, and since Greg also "pontificated privately" on a similar, though anti-catholic position, he too deserves a tomatoe as well. That was all I was saying.

Edited October 7, 2009 by Stormstopper

[Selah]

Will you answer my question?

If works mean nothing, why does Christ judge us by our works?

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Stormstopper' date='07 October 2009 - 05:04 PM' timestamp='1254949497' post='1980217']
In fact, Dear One, ever since the Reformation, it was probably only Mr. Luther who appeared to be having some trouble with the book of James, but later retracted. Your point?

Moreover, I did not say for one instant that Greg was speaking infallibly. As usual you have read something into my words that were not there! My goodness, would someone give this woman a wake-up pill?

Selah threw a tomatoe in the face of Luther while HE was in his private practice, and since Greg also "pontificated privately" on a similar, though anti-catholic position, he too deserves a tomatoe as well. That was all I was saying.
[/quote]

Selah stated a simple fact. Martin Luther removed James from the New Testament. He defiled the Holy Scriptures. What Luther did cannot be compared to an opinion (i.e. Pope Gregory the Great).

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Stormstopper' date='07 October 2009 - 02:56 PM' timestamp='1254949013' post='1980206']
Oh really Apo? Nothing of value? You're the one who swallows the lie that by good works, you can become cleansed and redeemed, something Vatican 1 has said the church has "always believed". . . . [/quote]
Resurrexi must be laughing his head off because of this comment.