Winchester Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 'Cause Herbert is [i]stiff[/i]! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='07 October 2009 - 10:46 PM' timestamp='1254970000' post='1980566'] 'Cause Herbert is [i]stiff[/i]! [/quote] Hey brother, do you play? How 'bout a session, it would sound! Are you sure you aren't a space hippie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 (edited) Wow this thread has gotten snarky. [quote name='Stormstopper' date='07 October 2009 - 08:05 PM' timestamp='1254942324' post='1980096'] Dear A-cat, I read the interview, but the student of Scripture is going to have a hard time excusing her beliefs. For example, she says we "preach the gospel by our works of love." The gospel, is by defintion, what Jesus has accomplished FOR us in our redemption. As the apostles said, "we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord" (2 Cor 4:5). No one is going to deny that good deeds are a fruit of salvation, but a demonstartion of good deeds does not amount to that person having arrived at the truth. Jerry Lewis has been breaking his back for over 40 years trying to find a cure for MS, but he is a Christ-rejecting Jew and is unsaved no matter how much money he raises. [/quote] While good deeds alone do not demonstrate that a person has found the Truth (and I don't think she is arguing that), we absolutely must live out our faith (as I'm sure you agree), and we preach just as much, if not more, by our actions than by our words. As in James, if you simply say "Go and be warm" but do nothing, that isn't living your faith. Or as in the example of the Good Samaritan. To argue that she doesn't preach vocally at all is not accurate, as if that were the case she would not even vocalise her faith in interviews such as these. She also says in that interview that her greatest hope was "to give Jesus to all". [quote name='Stormstopper' date='07 October 2009 - 08:05 PM' timestamp='1254942324' post='1980096']As was previously mentioned, she encourages her devotees to find "god" in whatever religion they find themselves, and that "what god is to you, you must accept". She then says that as they become a "better Hindu, a better Muslim, a better Buddhist" (another quote I read said, "a better whatever they are") they then end up "becoming closer to god". I'm sorry to say that this is all a lot of pious sounding terminology that does not amount to preaching the gospel at ALL. Furthermore, to say that "I love all religions" is very hard to swallow. I believe Jesus has not given us the command to "love all religions"---especially those that ipso facto, reject Him out of hand. It simply doesn't make sense coming from the one who said, "I AM THE WAY"---and consequently, there is no other "way". Moreover, her belief that atheistic communists are all "children of God" is only true to the extent that they have Him as their Creator, but NO further. Christ told those who didn't believe on Him that, "you are of your father the devil"---and so must we say likewise (John 8:44). [/quote] The interviewer specifically asks her if she thinks all the people should also find Jesus. Her response: "Naturally, if they want peace, if they want joy, let them find Jesus. If people become better Hindus, better Moslems, better Buddhists by our acts of love, then there is something else growing there. They come closer and closer to God. When they come closer, they have to choose. " So she is saying that if they want peace and joy, they need to find Jesus. If they become better Hindus, etc, they will eventually have to make a choice. I've known others, as well, who haven't actively discouraged a person from practising their own religion, with the belief that, if they become the best Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, etc, that person will see the deficiencies in their own religion and will then see that they can only be fulfilled with Jesus. I don't think she was trying to be a relativist, though. As for the loving all religions quote, she doesn't say that other religions are equal or just as good. Since she doesn't elaborate more, we cannot speculate as to her exact meaning. It may be that she meant she could see elements of truth in them (such as Muslims believing in one God), but we don't know, and to speculate further without knowing will get us nowhere. God bless. Edited October 8, 2009 by Archaeology cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I'm SpongeBob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I thought that you were Pooh Bear's cousin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Common mistake. So who are you....St. Isaac the Syrian? Because I've heard of him. Forget where, but the name kinda stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 [quote name='Paddington' date='08 October 2009 - 09:40 AM' timestamp='1255016448' post='1980854'] Common mistake. So who are you....St. Isaac the Syrian? Because I've heard of him. Forget where, but the name kinda stuck. [/quote] Nope. St. Isaac died about 1300 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Isn't he rumored to have believed in the apokatastasis? He was on a short list there. Was it all a misunderstanding? Did I just have a dream about this and there is nothing to it whatsoever? What's your favorite cereal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Well nevermind then. I'm eating sausage and potatoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 [quote name='Paddington' date='08 October 2009 - 09:43 AM' timestamp='1255016625' post='1980857'] Isn't he rumored to have believed in the apokatastasis? [/quote] Yep. [quote name='Paddington' date='08 October 2009 - 09:43 AM' timestamp='1255016625' post='1980857']He was on a short list there. Was it all a misunderstanding?[/quote] St. Gregory of Nyssa, St. Maximos the Confessor, and many other Fathers believed in apokatastasis. [quote name='Paddington' date='08 October 2009 - 09:43 AM' timestamp='1255016625' post='1980857'] Did I just have a dream about this and there is nothing to it whatsoever?[/quote] See above. [quote name='Paddington' date='08 October 2009 - 09:43 AM' timestamp='1255016625' post='1980857'] What's your favorite cereal?[/quote] Cocoa Puffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 So does apokatastasis in this case mean without Hell or throw in Hell but make the theology fancier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 [quote name='Paddington' date='08 October 2009 - 09:54 AM' timestamp='1255017251' post='1980860'] So does apokatastasis in this case mean without Hell or throw in Hell but make the theology fancier? [/quote] It means that everyone ends up "in" God, but that each man's experience of eternity in God is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Oh okay. Anything else I should know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 [quote name='Paddington' date='08 October 2009 - 10:06 AM' timestamp='1255017981' post='1980867'] Oh okay. Anything else I should know? [/quote] Yes. Pooh Bear is your long lost cousin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Really? All those years! All those years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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