Guest Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) [quote name='HisChildForever' date='04 October 2009 - 11:51 PM' timestamp='1254714672' post='1977919'] Why do you say such bizarre things?? [/quote] I think threads about christians burning other christians on stakes is bizarre to begin with. So I guess I'm only adding to the biazrrness. Edited October 5, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' date='04 October 2009 - 11:50 PM' timestamp='1254714659' post='1977918'] My only assertion in this thread is that Dignitatis Humanae advocates freedom of religion and states that it must be enshrined in the law and made a civil right whereas Quanta Cura condemns the idea that "every properly constituted state" should protect freedom of religion in their laws. [/quote] Well I'm not reading either tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' date='04 October 2009 - 11:46 PM' timestamp='1254714406' post='1977915'] I just think people should be burned on stakes. No more no less. Preferbally with good music in the background and snacks and juices. [/quote] It's not about the burning; it's about the community getting together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' date='04 October 2009 - 10:53 PM' timestamp='1254714806' post='1977921'] .....perhaps I'm only picking on Rexi because I know he secretly dislikes the idea of religious liberty and he knows that Vatican II advocates it. Hence his admission that sometimes it seems that magisterial documents contradict themselves. [/quote] No, I do not admit that Vatican II contradicts the teachings of previous councils. I support both Quanta Cura and Dignitatis Humanae. I feel that they teach the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='05 October 2009 - 12:02 AM' timestamp='1254715358' post='1977924'] It's not about the burning; it's about the community getting together. [/quote] Now that's something I can go for and get behind. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' date='05 October 2009 - 12:04 AM' timestamp='1254715482' post='1977928'] Now that's something I can go for and get behind. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img] [/quote] Never forget that the inappropriate comment is [i]my[/i]kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='05 October 2009 - 12:08 AM' timestamp='1254715712' post='1977930'] Never forget that the inappropriate comment is [i]my[/i]kingdom. [/quote] i'm only a guest my friend. i'm only a guest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' date='05 October 2009 - 12:11 AM' timestamp='1254715891' post='1977932'] i'm only a guest my friend. i'm only a guest. [/quote] An Honored Guest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='04 October 2009 - 11:03 PM' timestamp='1254715391' post='1977925'] No, I do not admit that Vatican II contradicts the teachings of previous councils. I support both Quanta Cura and Dignitatis Humanae. I feel that they teach the same thing. [/quote] Then explain to me how the two quotes I provided do not contradict eachother. I've already addressed your "within due limits" point and I don't see why you think that's an answer because Quanta Cura is condemning the notion of religious freedom being a civil right while DH says that it must be made a civil right. "Within due limits" does not negate the previous statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) you rascal Edited October 5, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormstopper Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I just went through this thread to see if anyone knew the CORRECT answer to the question posed at the beginning: Was the Hus murder morally acceptable? Apparently no one knows that JPII apologized to the world in Dec 1999 saying it was, to say the very least, "a mistake". You can look it up on-line lest you doubt it. However, I was disappointed to say the VERY least, that the Pope did not apologize also for a few million others in addition to Hus. In the World Christian Encyclopedia, p. 11 we see a list of those responsible for killing martyrs. Secular governments and atheists score big, with 55,597,000 and 31,519,000 respectively. The Muslims are high-performers on the martyr-production scale as well with 9,101,000 to their credit. Animists come in fourth with 7,469,000, and guess who is #5 on the martyr-producing hit parade? Yes, Roman Catholicism, with 4,951,000! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' date='04 October 2009 - 11:22 PM' timestamp='1254716527' post='1977946'] Then explain to me how the two quotes I provided do not contradict eachother. I've already addressed your "within due limits" point and I don't see why you think that's an answer because Quanta Cura is condemning the notion of religious freedom being a civil right while DH says that it must be made a civil right. "Within due limits" does not negate the previous statements. [/quote] "Within due limits" means that there are times when a state can correctly limit religious liberty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Stormstopper' date='05 October 2009 - 12:33 AM' timestamp='1254717239' post='1977962'] Roman Catholicism, with 4,951,000! [/quote] Credibility just died. It died of shame. Nice number. And once again, only one Rite is responsible. 95+, people! 95+! Edited October 5, 2009 by Winchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Stormstopper's avatar really made me laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Stormstopper' date='04 October 2009 - 11:33 PM' timestamp='1254717239' post='1977962'] I just went through this thread to see if anyone knew the CORRECT answer to the question posed at the beginning: Was the Hus murder morally acceptable? Apparently no one knows that JPII apologized to the world in Dec 1999 saying it was, to say the very least, "a mistake". You can look it up on-line lest you doubt it. [/quote] I'm pretty sure that Pope John Paul II didn't use his teaching authority in issuing that apology. In fact, for a papal statement to have papal magisterial authority, it normally must be published in the Acta Apostolicae Sedis. I'm pretty that JPII's apology didn't make it into the AAS. Usually only motu proprio, encyclicals, etc. make it into there. Edited October 5, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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