Jan Hus

[Sojourner]

I think it's unfair to judge history when using the lens of our modern sensibilities.

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='Selah' date='04 October 2009 - 04:56 PM' timestamp='1254696967' post='1977647']
Okay, Jason. What were his civil crimes?
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i dont know.

i am asking.

i can glean he was a dreaded heretic. I am wondering if there was anything else.

[Guest]

Tell me how we can go from turning the other cheek when we are struck and to love our enemies, to burning fellow believers and torturing them at the stake ? I don't really see how ? Now if Jesus wouldn't have come along and said these things I could see how we could justify it from reading the old testement. But it seems Jesus contradicted all of that. Hmmmm. I'm a bit confused.

Edited October 4, 2009 by Guest

[MIKolbe]

and he wonders why he has negative votes.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Selah' date='04 October 2009 - 07:00 PM' timestamp='1254697221' post='1977651']
I would hope that the Church would understand that, even though Martin Luther was wrong, putting him to the death would not be the right thing to do.
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I don't think it's either of our places to say that it's the right or wrong thing.

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' date='04 October 2009 - 07:06 PM' timestamp='1254697571' post='1977657']
Tell me how we can go from turning the other cheek when we are struck and to love our enemies, to burning fellow believers and torturing them at the stake ? I don't really see how ? Now if Jesus wouldn't have come along and said these things I could see how we could justify it from reading the old testement. But it seems Jesus contradicted all of that. Hmmmm. I'm a bit confused.
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Jesus drove people out of the temple with whips; to turn the other cheek does not mean to be a pacifist. The view of the Church and of Aquinas is that if capital punishment is ever acceptable, it is because (as Aquinas says in the quotations I already posted) out of love for the Body of Christ, a greater evil must be prevented.

[Guest]

[quote name='aalpha1989' date='04 October 2009 - 07:10 PM' timestamp='1254697810' post='1977666']
Jesus drove people out of the temple with whips; to turn the other cheek does not mean to be a pacifist. The view of the Church and of Aquinas is that if capital punishment is ever acceptable, it is because (as Aquinas says in the quotations I already posted) out of love for the Body of Christ, a greater evil must be prevented.
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was just asking. as i said earlier lets go burn some christians.

[Resurrexi]

The Church has actually condemned this statement as an error: "That heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit." (Pope Leo X, [i]Exsurge Domine[/i], 33). This means that, in theory, there are sometimes circumstances under which burning heretics can be morally acceptable.

Edited October 4, 2009 by Resurrexi

[Guest]

[quote name='MIkolbe' date='04 October 2009 - 07:08 PM' timestamp='1254697732' post='1977661']
and he wonders why he has negative votes.
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ha i'm fianally on the plus side somehow.

[Kitty]

[quote name='aalpha1989' date='04 October 2009 - 06:51 PM' timestamp='1254696700' post='1977636']


by the way, i got the quotes rather quickly off of [url="http://www.aquinasonline.com/Questions/cappunsh.html"]this[/url] website.

edit:

The execution was not simply because Hus had different beliefs, but that he propogated beliefs which could affect peoples' salvation in a negative way.
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"Salvation" may or may not exist, because God may or may not exist. You cannot murder someone based off of beliefs that are not proven to be true.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='04 October 2009 - 07:15 PM' timestamp='1254698126' post='1977669']
This means that, in theory, executing heretics can sometimes be acceptable.
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Can you come up with a modern day example?

[Guest]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='04 October 2009 - 07:15 PM' timestamp='1254698126' post='1977669']
The Church has actually condemned this statement as an error: "That heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit." (Pope Leo X, [i]Exsurge Domine[/i], 33). This means that, in theory, there are sometimes circumstances under which burning heretics can be morally acceptable.
[/quote]


tbn has a boatlaod. what are we waiting for ?

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Selah' date='04 October 2009 - 05:56 PM' timestamp='1254696967' post='1977647']
What were his civil crimes?
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Spreading heresy was a civil crime in many states in Europe at that time.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='04 October 2009 - 06:16 PM' timestamp='1254698203' post='1977672']
Can you come up with a modern day example?
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No, I can only come up with historical examples.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='04 October 2009 - 07:18 PM' timestamp='1254698321' post='1977676']
No, I can only come up with historical examples.
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Why? You pretty much implied that this...

[b]This means that, in theory, there are sometimes circumstances under which burning heretics can be morally acceptable.[/b]

...applies to any period in history. So let's talk modern day - modern day heretics (give examples), and please define what circumstance would fall under "there are [u]sometimes[/u] circumstances."