Jan Hus

[OraProMe]

[quote name='Stormstopper' date='05 October 2009 - 11:01 AM' timestamp='1254758474' post='1978229']
Oropro,

I thought you went into hiding after I refuted you in three posts and you didn't respond. Unfortunately, you can't admit what even your own Catholic Church teaches; namely FORGIVENESS OF SINS MAY BE RECEIVED VIA THE MOUTH. Instead of admitting it, you try accusing me of deceit, but that attempt failed miserably. So I'm GRACIOUSLY answering you now because you wrote in asking the question, but no more (unless and UNTIL you can admit that I have read the Catechism correctly in #1393. The words are cyrstal clear and you very well know it). Furthermore, I didn't even mention any "screaming" scripture references in the above post. But when I do, or if I capitalize, it is so you will GO AND CHECK OUT THE FACTS FOR YOURSELF. There is so much erroneous information on this site, my adverse reaction is certainly warranted....that is, if I can provide the evidence. When Winchester for example, so pompously affirmed Christ had not told ANYONE to write even one line in the N.T., what do you think Jesus Christ thought of THAT? I happen to be there and corrected his shameful remark. So he says he has indeed picked up a Bible on occasion after I accused him, but after his now-famous drunken outbursts in the past, I can only assume the only reason he picked up a Bible recently was to place it under his gin and tonic and use it as a coaster.
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What are you talking about? I did respond to your (edited and manipulated) quote from the Catechism and your response was that you were going to lurk elsewhere.

You have to read the quote in the context of the whole body of Catholic doctrine. Catholics believe that the Mass is the re-enactment of Calvary where Jesus shed his blood and gave his body up for our redemption. That is in no way saying that receiving Communion forgives sins "via the mouth". If Holy Communion forgives sin, stormstopper, can you please explain why a requirment for the proper reception of the Eucharist is to be in a state of grace?

Technically, even if the Church taught Holy Communion forgave our particular sins (which the Church does not), it would have no practical effect because no Catholic should have any mortal sin on his soul when receiving the Eucharist in the first place.

DO YOU GET THAT? I LEARNT THAT WHEN I WAS A LIL' SEVEN YEAR OLD AT GOOD OLD ST. PATTY'S PARISH CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!11oneone!!11

Edited October 6, 2009 by OraProMe

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Stormstopper' date='05 October 2009 - 04:12 PM' timestamp='1254773573' post='1978362']
My child.....the point was to incite the man to check things out before making such bogus claims about the Lord Jesus Christ. You take things far too literally.[/quote]
Do you think Evolution is a valid theory? Why or why not?

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='05 October 2009 - 09:10 PM' timestamp='1254795015' post='1978788']
Do you think Evolution is a valid theory? Why or why not?
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[i]Humani Generis[/i], 36

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Stormstopper' date='05 October 2009 - 07:13 PM' timestamp='1254784399' post='1978555']
Dear His Child,

Or are you really? [/quote]

Oh man, you caught me. I actually worship Beelzebub. But only because it's such a cool name, mind you.

[quote]I am coming down hard on you [/quote]

...Where?

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Winchester' date='05 October 2009 - 06:33 PM' timestamp='1254789233' post='1978643']
The people who followed Hus were called Hussies.
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WIN

[Stormstopper]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='05 October 2009 - 06:49 PM' timestamp='1254786581' post='1978594']
I would start with Baptism, Confirmation, and the Eucharist as traditions that can be traced directly the apostolic age, though there are certainly many more I could name.
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Rez....you completely misunderstand. Baptism is in the [u]Bible[/u] as well as is Holy Communion....so they certainly don't amount to these nebulous mystery traditions your church says should be on the same level as Scripture and should be considered a deposit of the faith....which was "ONCE" delivered to the saints according to the book of Jude. Confirmation, by the way, certainly is no where mentioned and neither do you have any proof that the apostles practiced it.

So after all the dust settles, you must admit that you cannot name one, oral, extrabiblical tradition demonstratively traceable to the apostalic age which is necessary for the faith and practice of the church. We affirm with the apostle, "believing all things which are written in the Law and in the prophets" (Acts 24:14)-- Case closed, as I don't want to go outside the boundaries of this thread, which I perhaps have already done.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Stormstopper' date='05 October 2009 - 11:12 PM' timestamp='1254802335' post='1978897']
Rez....you completely misunderstand. Baptism is in the [u]Bible[/u] as well as is Holy Communion....so they certainly don't amount to these nebulous mystery traditions your church says should be on the same level as Scripture and should be considered a deposit of the faith....which was "ONCE" delivered to the saints according to the book of Jude. Confirmation, by the way, certainly is no where mentioned and neither do you have any proof that the apostles practiced it. [/quote]

Orly?

"Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John, who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit; for He had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit." (Acts 8:14-17)

[quote name='Stormstopper' date='05 October 2009 - 11:12 PM' timestamp='1254802335' post='1978897']
So after all the dust settles, you must admit that you cannot name one, oral, extrabiblical tradition demonstratively traceable to the apostalic age which is necessary for the faith and practice of the church. We affirm with the apostle, "believing all things which are written in the Law and in the prophets" (Acts 24:14)-- Case closed, as I don't want to go outside the boundaries of this thread, which I perhaps have already done.
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Yes, you have certainly gone outside the boundaries. I am not sure how any of this really relates to the execution of Jan Hus.

I can still think of numerous teachings handed down in Tradition. The fact that the Son is consubstantial to the Father would be one.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='05 October 2009 - 10:18 PM' timestamp='1254802704' post='1978904']Yes, you have certainly gone outside the boundaries. I am not sure how any of this really relates to the execution of Jan Hus.
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I'm not sure more than 5 posts in this 10 page thread actually talk about the execution of Hus...

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='goldenchild17' date='05 October 2009 - 11:23 PM' timestamp='1254803001' post='1978909']
I'm not sure more than 5 posts in this 10 page thread actually talk about the execution of Hus...
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No doubt!

[picchick]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='05 October 2009 - 10:50 PM' timestamp='1254797412' post='1978823']
Oh man, you caught me. I actually worship Beelzebub. But only because it's such a cool name, mind you.

[/quote]

And I thought there was a debate on this already?

[Stormstopper]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='05 October 2009 - 09:09 PM' timestamp='1254794952' post='1978786']
What are you talking about? I did respond to your (edited and manipulated) quote from the Catechism and your response was that you were going to lurk elsewhere.

You have to read the quote in the context of the whole body of Catholic doctrine. Catholics believe that the Mass is the re-enactment of Calvary where Jesus shed his blood and gave his body up for our redemption. That is in no way saying that receiving Communion forgives sins "via the mouth". If Holy Communion forgives sin, stormstopper, can you please explain why a requirment for the proper reception of the Eucharist is to be in a state of grace?

Technically, even if the Church taught Holy Communion forgave our particular sins (which the Church does not), it would have no practical effect because no Catholic should have any mortal sin on his soul when receiving the Eucharist in the first place.

DO YOU GET THAT? I LEARNT THAT WHEN I WAS A LIL' SEVEN YEAR OLD AT GOOD OLD ST. PATTY'S PARISH CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!11oneone!!11
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[color="#0000ff"]THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES THAT SINS CAN BE FORGIVEN VIA THE MOUTH!

"FOR THIS REASON, THE EUCHARIST CANNOT UNITE US TO CHRIST WITHOUT AT THE SAME TIME CLEANSING US FROM PAST SINS AND PRESERVING US FROM FUTURE SINS" (CCC #1393).
ST. AMBROSE CONFIRMS "THAT I SHOULD ALWAYS RECEIVE IT, SO THAT IT MAY ALWAYS FORGIVE MY SINS" (CCC #1393 and #1394).

In my opinion, Oropro should be banned from this site as he is completely misrepresenting the Catholic faith and refusing to believe words in their own catechism which even a 7 year old from St. Patty's could understand![/color]

[picchick]

[quote name='Stormstopper' date='06 October 2009 - 12:42 AM' timestamp='1254804162' post='1978922']
[color="#0000ff"]THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES THAT SINS CAN BE FORGIVEN VIA THE MOUTH!

"FOR THIS REASON, THE EUCHARIST CANNOT UNITE US TO CHRIST WITHOUT AT THE SAME TIME CLEANSING US FROM PAST SINS AND PRESERVING US FROM FUTURE SINS" (CCC #1393).
ST. AMBROSE CONFIRMS "THAT I SHOULD ALWAYS RECEIVE IT, SO THAT IT MAY ALWAYS FORGIVE MY SINS" (CCC #1393 and #1394).

In my opinion, Oropro should be banned from this site as he is completely misrepresenting the Catholic faith and refusing to believe words in their own catechism which even a 7 year old from St. Patty's could understand![/color]
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LOL!!!


OH MY GOSH!!!!

You, [i]honey[/i], are arrogant (a little softer than my previous word). You mean to tell me that you, an anti-Catholic....no Catholic HATER....has an opinion on who knows the faith and who doesn't? Wait wait...you mean that you, who don't believe in the Catholic faith can tell who is and who isn't a misrepresentation.


Wow....just....wow.

Edited October 6, 2009 by picchick

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Stormstopper' date='05 October 2009 - 10:42 PM' timestamp='1254804162' post='1978922']In my opinion[/quote]

oh what this site would look like if each of our opinions dictated how it should be run

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Stormstopper' date='05 October 2009 - 11:42 PM' timestamp='1254804162' post='1978922']
[color="#0000ff"]words in their own catechism which even a 7 year old from St. Patty's could understand![/color]
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I'm a high school student who got a 99th percentile on the critical reading section of the PSAT, and I sometimes have trouble understanding what the [i]Catechism of the Catholic Church[/i] is saying.

[ardillacid]

I guess I always thought venial sins could be remitted through receiving the Eucharist, but one had to go to confession to have mortal sins forgiven.