HisChildForever Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='Stormstopper' date='05 October 2009 - 01:09 PM' timestamp='1254762586' post='1978272'] John the Baptist, ("ye brood of vipers"), John the apostle, ("liars" and "antichrists") and Paul (not a few times ) used some very strong terminology in HIS disputes. More importantly, Christ calls the scribes and Pharisees some unpleasant names no less than 16 times in Matt 23. They are "hypocrites" (7 times), "son of Hell" (once), "blind guides" (twice), "geniuses and blind" (3 times), "whited sepulchres" (once), "serpents" (once), and "offspring of vipers" (once). Since we agree that Christ was without sin, we may deduce by good and necessary consequence that name-calling or a "mild" assault on someone's character is not a sin either, but is rather, a virtue, when one perceives that the word of God is being mishandled. [/quote] Dear Small Fry, You made a ridiculous claim that Winchester uses his Bible as a coaster for alcoholic beverages. That is not a "virtue" but your ability to bilocate to Winchester's living room. Love always, "Chid" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='05 October 2009 - 01:01 PM' timestamp='1254762069' post='1978266'] I was trying to be as general as possible, having been in a class at the time. [/quote] I was in class too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='Slappo' date='05 October 2009 - 02:10 PM' timestamp='1254769857' post='1978337'] I'm waiting for it... Dust told me I'd have scholar and that was 2 weeks ago or so now. I have a BA in Theology from FUS so... [/quote] I keep forgetting. I did definitely know that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormstopper Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='05 October 2009 - 02:30 PM' timestamp='1254771052' post='1978344'] Dear Small Fry, You made a ridiculous claim that Winchester uses his Bible as a coaster for alcoholic beverages. That is not a "virtue" but your ability to bilocate to Winchester's living room. Love always, "Chid" [/quote] My child.....the point was to incite the man to check things out before making such bogus claims about the Lord Jesus Christ. You take things far too literally. Oh yes, I forgot, you're a Catholic, and when Jesus said to "Eat me", you don't want to discuss the massive amount of evidence that supports He was NOT speaking literally, --oh no, we can't have that. He said EAT ME, and the case is closed. But oh how quickly you abandon your literalism when we are told in no less than 5 places that ALL have sinned, and without blinking, you expect us to believe Mary was an exception. Thus, you are a disobedient "child" who is not believing her "parent". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='05 October 2009 - 12:48 PM' timestamp='1254772122' post='1978349'] I keep forgetting. I did definitely know that! [/quote] Patience is not a virtue I've even come close to mastering though Even ask my fiancee... have to wait 8 more months. I keep telling her to leave school and come marry me next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 The snivellin' grovellin' Measly weasely Blabberin' jabberin' Gibberin' jabberin' Blunderin' plunderin' Wheelin' dealin' Prince Jan, that phony king of England! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='Stormstopper' date='05 October 2009 - 04:12 PM' timestamp='1254773573' post='1978362'] My child.....the point was to incite the man to check things out before making such bogus claims about the Lord Jesus Christ. You take things far too literally. Oh yes, I forgot, you're a Catholic, and when Jesus said to "Eat me", you don't want to discuss the massive amount of evidence that supports He was NOT speaking literally, --oh no, we can't have that. He said EAT ME, and the case is closed. [/quote] I am not your child, but thanks for those nightmares. [quote] But oh how quickly you abandon your literalism when we are told in no less than 5 places that ALL have sinned, and without blinking, you expect us to believe Mary was an exception. Thus, you are a disobedient "child" who is not believing her "parent". [/quote] So I guess Jesus falls under "all" then, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='04 October 2009 - 11:40 PM' timestamp='1254710414' post='1977848'] The Church didn't burn anyone and was not in charge of the country at the time. Executions still take place at the behest of nations. [/quote] That is what I was thinking as well. I know many of the executions were given out by angry mobs or by the state, and not the Church itself. Wait...that is what you meant, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='Selah' date='05 October 2009 - 04:26 PM' timestamp='1254774386' post='1978374'] That is what I was thinking as well. I know many of the executions were given out by angry mobs or by the state, and not the Church itself. Wait...that is what you meant, right? [/quote] Right. However, by not condemning it outright, the Church would still share responsibility. But it's important to remember, there is no divine protection over the actions of the Church. Only in preventing official teaching from being in error, and it can be difficult even to determine that. As it was difficult to determine which of the many scriptures out there were infallible, prior to being assembled in the Bible. As it is difficult now to determine which Bible translation is the best of the many available. I could put a Bible out that had verses changed to suit me. For instance, I could add "alone" to a particular verse, or include in a prayer a sidenote from a previous translator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='05 October 2009 - 01:02 AM' timestamp='1254715358' post='1977924'] It's not about the burning; it's about the community getting together. [/quote] When I read this, all I could think of was, "Ooh! A community get together! Are they having a potluck?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='04 October 2009 - 07:09 PM' timestamp='1254697779' post='1977664'] I don't think it's either of our places to say that it's the right or wrong thing. [/quote] I agree. Romans 13 says that the Governments have the God ordained authority to use the sword. Can they do it wrongly? Yes. But it is God's call as to whether they did or not. Why speak of John Hus? Why not all the 200 Catholic priests in England for instance taht the Government choose to kill, including Edmund Campion. Guys like Hus are always brought up. Why is he more or less important than the Catholics who were killed. We look at those times through the lense of today when heresy is everywhere and so we don't take it all that seriously. But in those days teaching heresy was akin to killing the body by killing the soul. Both protestant and Catholic countries had laws against it. Protestant countries didn't form on national boundaries because of the great evangelization so much as they persecuted the Catholics I think even more than the otehr way around. I am speaking of after Luther's time because there weren't real true protestants before then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='Stormstopper' date='05 October 2009 - 04:12 PM' timestamp='1254773573' post='1978362'] My child.....the point was to incite the man to check things out before making such bogus claims about the Lord Jesus Christ. You take things far too literally. Oh yes, I forgot, you're a Catholic, and when Jesus said to "Eat me", you don't want to discuss the massive amount of evidence that supports He was NOT speaking literally, --oh no, we can't have that. He said EAT ME, and the case is closed. But oh how quickly you abandon your literalism when we are told in no less than 5 places that ALL have sinned, and without blinking, you expect us to believe Mary was an exception. Thus, you are a disobedient "child" who is not believing her "parent". [/quote] The logical obsurdity of this is that Catholicism DOES NOT DENY the metaphorical components of the Eucharist. Certainly bread is a metaphore so you run to the metaphroical aspects and say they are proof for your and against us. We agree to the metaphore but do not see why it has to be limited to JUST metaphore. It is clear from reading Augustine, Tertullian, and others that they saw the metaphore but saw the deeper reality of the real prescence. Protestants have a hard time seeing this because they are trained in the dichotomous thinking of man. Either/or rather than both/and. You trumpt the passages of John 6:52-54 etc. with the figurative passages just like you do with faith and works, seeing Rom 3:38 and Eph 2:8-9 as trump verses over Rom 2:4-8, Matt 25, sheep and goats, and John 15. Faith or works is not biblical. Faith working out in love is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Horse stealing was a capital crime even in protestant countries in those days and heresy was considered worse for it killed the soul, a graver crime than killing the body. I did not vote in favor of the Hus execution being moral. I leave that up to God for it is he who says that governements have the right to use the sword to keep order and many times heresy brought disorder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormstopper Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='05 October 2009 - 03:14 PM' timestamp='1254773692' post='1978365'] I am not your child, but thanks for those nightmares. So I guess Jesus falls under "all" then, too? [/quote] Dear His Child, Or are you really? You can't be serious! I am coming down hard on you because you are showing not even the slightest familiarity with the Christian faith. The Holy Spirit which inspired the Scripture clearly and unmistakenly MAKES the exception in the Lord Jesus, but chose NOT to do so for Mary (Heb 4:15). That is one reason among many why we categorically reject all the brahuha and hoopla surrounding her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 [quote name='Stormstopper' date='05 October 2009 - 07:13 PM' timestamp='1254784399' post='1978555'] Dear His Child, Or are you really? You can't be serious! I am coming down hard on you [/quote] Yeah, she looks pretty torn up. You're so tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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