Resurrexi Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='04 October 2009 - 04:24 PM' timestamp='1254691451' post='1977537'] I can't believe the murder of Jan Hus is being made into a joke. [/quote] Jan Hus wasn't murdered. He was legitimately executed for a civil crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='04 October 2009 - 03:53 PM' timestamp='1254693223' post='1977564'] Jan Hus wasn't murdered. He was legitimately executed for a civil crime. [/quote] Perhaps you should create a new thread on that topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='04 October 2009 - 04:54 PM' timestamp='1254693291' post='1977565'] Perhaps you should create a new thread on that topic. [/quote] I think I shall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='04 October 2009 - 03:55 PM' timestamp='1254693322' post='1977566'] I think I shall. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' date='04 October 2009 - 03:22 PM' timestamp='1254684124' post='1977442'] Our priest stopped in the middle of his homily today to ask everyone to look at their watches and synchronize them, because it was 10:20, not 10:00. I couldn't figure out why until I noticed some people just getting to mass. I'm glad it wasn't me. [/quote] Pwn'd [quote name='Lil Red' date='04 October 2009 - 05:09 PM' timestamp='1254690547' post='1977519'] +J.M.J.+ sometimes i'd like to ask the priest to leave because he teaches too much heresy. [/quote] Pwn'd [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='04 October 2009 - 05:24 PM' timestamp='1254691451' post='1977537'] I can't believe the murder of Jan Hus is being made into a joke. [/quote] Lawl. You're too funny, L_D [quote name='Apotheoun' date='04 October 2009 - 05:25 PM' timestamp='1254691551' post='1977539'] I was not making fun of the execution of Jan Hus. I was making light (pun intended) of the posted picture. [/quote] Lawl. [quote name='Apotheoun' date='04 October 2009 - 05:29 PM' timestamp='1254691779' post='1977544'] In the Eastern Churches children (including babies) receive holy communion, so their attendance at the divine liturgy is seen as very important to their spiritual growth in Christ. [/quote] They receive every Sunday? Or just at baptism? And is there a special process, especially if they don't want to open their mouths? [quote name='Apotheoun' date='04 October 2009 - 05:36 PM' timestamp='1254692182' post='1977554'] The priest was wrong to ask for the removal of the children, but rather than attack him, let us pray that God enlighten him about the importance of children attending divine worship with their parents. After all . . . Church is not just for adults. [/quote] Indeed. Some just don't know better for some reason. [quote name='Resurrexi' date='04 October 2009 - 05:53 PM' timestamp='1254693223' post='1977564'] Jan Hus wasn't murdered. He was legitimately executed for a civil crime. [/quote] Yep. Good ol' Church and State Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aalpha1989 Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 I did not mean to imply earlier that children should not be in church, only that they have no obligation to be and should therefore be removed if they are disruptive. It is rude and uncharitable to keep a crying baby in the church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 So an adult, who has an obligation but is disruptive, should stay and not leave? Because they have the obligation to be there? And therefore it is not rude and uncharitable, as they are fulfilling their obligation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='04 October 2009 - 03:57 PM' timestamp='1254693445' post='1977568'] They receive every Sunday? Or just at baptism? [/quote] A child receives the Eucharist every Sunday after his baptism and chrismation. [quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='04 October 2009 - 03:57 PM' timestamp='1254693445' post='1977568'] And is there a special process, especially if they don't want to open their mouths?[/quote] In the six years that I have attended divine liturgy, as strange as it may sound, I have never once seen a child refuse to open his mouth for holy communion. Nevertheless, I trust that a priest (and the child's parents) know what to do should that happen. Edited October 4, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='04 October 2009 - 04:09 PM' timestamp='1254694191' post='1977582'] Nevertheless, I am trust that a priest (and the child's parents) know what to do should that happen. [/quote] I would agree, if babies love anything it is putting EVERYTHING in their mouths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 (edited) I see crying babies as a part of life. Sure, take a crying baby out of a movie, or out of a museum, but why in the world would anyone want to take a crying baby out of Church. If a baby is in real distress (i.e., something is truly wrong), then take him out of the Church, but if the baby is just being a baby I say let him stay. Edited October 4, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Children making noise during Mass does not annoy me. Parents who let their children continually disrupt other people-that annoys me. There are parents who let their children climb over pews, eat and drink, and run about the church during Mass. Can you imagine that sort of carry-on during the Last Supper? Fair enough, children are children and they're bound to get unsettled at times, but the parents should have enough respect to teach their children the proper etiquitte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 The priest had no right to call out the parents like that. In the middle of the Mass?? To me, THAT is more rude and uncharitable than the presence of the crying children [or the parents who did not/would not take them out, whatever the circumstance was.] What about the other parishioners? Maybe the majority of them were losing focus due to the children, but that is a natural disruption - and then you have the priest distracting them even further, which is an unnatural disruption. What if someone was deep in prayer, only heard the children as "background noise," was following the words of the priest very carefully - and suddenly the priest is no longer saying the Mass. My concentration would be ruined. If there is an issue with stubborn parents in the parish community, something tasteful should be put in the bulletin so no one feels singled out. You know, it can start off like this - "If you must bring toys for your children, please refrain from bringing cars and instead bring stuffed animals, soft books, or blankets" - and can end with "If your child becomes startled or upset, we understand that exiting the pews is a necessary action." This way, the parents are not told to just leave, but are gently reminded that this is an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 (edited) I can see it in my mind's eye . . . Jesus giving the Sermon on the Mount and abruptly stopping in order to tell a lady to take her crying kid and leave, because the baby's cries were breaking His concentration. What a great example He would be setting for us all. Edited October 4, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aalpha1989 Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 [quote name='MIkolbe' date='04 October 2009 - 06:08 PM' timestamp='1254694087' post='1977579'] So an adult, who has an obligation but is disruptive, should stay and not leave? Because they have the obligation to be there? And therefore it is not rude and uncharitable, as they are fulfilling their obligation? [/quote] Don't be a chump. seriously. Adults know better and can control themselves; they know what is disruptive and what is not, and the only good choice for an adult is to be there and NOT be disruptive. A baby can't make that decision because he or she doesn't know any better. You're intentionally making it seem like the adult has no choice except to be disruptive... (talk about flat footed and stupid...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhetoricfemme Posted October 4, 2009 Author Share Posted October 4, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='04 October 2009 - 05:48 PM' timestamp='1254692934' post='1977563'] It would be nice, in the particular case that is the focus of this thread, for a family living in that parish to approach the priest and talk with him about how important it is for families to worship together. In that way this sad incident could be turned into an educational experience for the pastor in question. [/quote] I'm considering writing him a polite letter even though I'm not from there. Couldn't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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