CorMaria Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Do you think that miracles (stigmata, Saints lives) and things such as apparitions at Fatima etc, are a solid proof for Churches claim to be the one, true Church founded by Christ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 [quote name='CorMaria' date='11 September 2009 - 10:29 AM' timestamp='1252625370' post='1964604'] Do you think that miracles (stigmata, Saints lives) and things such as apparitions at Fatima etc, are a solid proof for Churches claim to be the one, true Church founded by Christ? [/quote] No! Other religions could make the same claims. The difference between Christians and other religions is that we have the historical knowledge of Jesus or God in human form and what he taught. But other religions still have God in their hearts and what he wishes them to do. This does not make them a lesser religion than Christianity. There are numerous Christians who do not live by Christian ideals in fact all of us are sinners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregorius Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 I'm sure there a few groups other than the Church that claim to have miracles happen in there midst. Then there are those that can be swayed by nothing, and would reason anything away. And there are quite a few people "outside" the church that some would consider holy. You'd think something like that would be legit proof, but I would suppose not in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 [quote name='Gregorius' date='10 September 2009 - 06:57 PM' timestamp='1252627029' post='1964623'] I'm sure there a few groups other than the Church that claim to have miracles happen in there midst. [/quote] Certainly, but is their any validity in their claims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregorius Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 For that matter, are there any validity in our claims? I seem to think so, but I'm sure others would disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 [quote name='Gregorius' date='10 September 2009 - 07:22 PM' timestamp='1252628570' post='1964633'] For that matter, are there any validity in our claims? I seem to think so, but I'm sure others would disagree. [/quote] Others would also disagree that the earth revolves around the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 [quote name='Mark of the Cross' date='10 September 2009 - 07:54 PM' timestamp='1252626842' post='1964621'] No! Other religions could make the same claims. The difference between Christians and other religions is that we have the historical knowledge of Jesus or God in human form and what he taught. But other religions still have God in their hearts and what he wishes them to do. This does not make them a lesser religion than Christianity. There are numerous Christians who do not live by Christian ideals in fact all of us are sinners. [/quote] It does make it a "lesser" religion to not have the fullness of truth. They're not lesser people though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 True miracles are helps to piety, but they cannot be used as "proofs" of the truth of any religion. It must always be borne in mind that things that appear miraculous can also be caused by demonic forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 [quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='11 September 2009 - 04:20 PM' timestamp='1252646448' post='1964802'] It does make it a "lesser" religion to not have the fullness of truth. They're not lesser people though. [/quote] I don't believe that knowledge makes one religion greater than another. To love your God and your neighbour cannot be out done, therefore any religion that follows this core belief is as good as any other. They have all been corrupted by man and his 'Knowledge' in some way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruce Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 If miracles were exclusive to the Catholic faith, then yes. But they're not. For example some Muslims experience something similar to stigmata. They develop the wounds of Ali and other Shia martyrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorMaria Posted September 13, 2009 Author Share Posted September 13, 2009 To me something like Fatima stands out. It seems that these occurences are far more common within the Catholic Church than without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorMaria Posted September 13, 2009 Author Share Posted September 13, 2009 And I do believe that every other religion that isn't Catholic is a 'lesser' religion. In no way do I think any of them are equal. Other than the Catholic Church, they were either founded by humans wanting to make money, spread a false philosophy, or perhaps even by possesed persons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruce Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 [quote name='CorMaria' date='13 September 2009 - 01:46 AM' timestamp='1252820762' post='1965687'] To me something like Fatima stands out. It seems that these occurences are far more common within the Catholic Church than without. [/quote] That's because you live in the West where Christianity is historically hegemonic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 [quote name='CorMaria' date='13 September 2009 - 12:47 AM' timestamp='1252820874' post='1965688'] And I do believe that every other religion that isn't Catholic is a 'lesser' religion. In no way do I think any of them are equal. Other than the Catholic Church, they were either founded by humans wanting to make money, spread a false philosophy, or perhaps even by possesed persons. [/quote] I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruce Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='13 September 2009 - 01:53 AM' timestamp='1252821215' post='1965691'] I agree with you. [/quote] I don't. It's not a "lesser" religion, it's a false religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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