Gop Rep. To Obama: 'you Lie!'

[Jesus_lol]

hahaha, right. spontaneous. everyone in congress got to read that speech hours in advance. so either he is lazy and didnt read it(something i would assume he is paid to do), or he planned to do something like that.

[Winchester]

We know for sure that there won't be any loopholes permitting improper fund allocation or graft. Congress will see to that. And it's such a good program that our government leaders will also be using it.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='10 September 2009 - 05:25 PM' timestamp='1252625115' post='1964600']
apparently that sort of outburst in congress, never actually happened in the 8 years that Bush was president. good to know the republicans are not above stooping even lower that past democrats.
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+J.M.J.+
see my above link. stuff like this did happen when bush was in office.

[kamiller42]

[quote name='rachael' date='10 September 2009 - 08:18 PM' timestamp='1252628310' post='1964631']
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/ap_on_go_co/us_illegal_immigrants_fact_check

WASHINGTON – Rep. Joe Wilson is wrong.

In his speech to Congress Wednesday, President Barack Obama said the changes to health care that he's proposing "would not apply to those who are here illegally." That prompted Wilson, a South Carolina Republican, to shout "You lie!" from his seat in the House chamber. Wilson later apologized for the outburst, but he didn't back down from his claim.

THE FACTS: The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, and they could also buy into a new government-run insurance plan if Congress creates one. But unlike legal residents, they wouldn't get federal subsidies to help them. The bill's exact language: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully in the United States." Health care legislation in the Senate is also being crafted to exclude illegal immigrants from coverage.

However, Wilson is far from alone in thinking that the prohibition in the House bill doesn't go far enough. For him and other Republicans, the problem is not what's in the bill, it's what the bill leaves out. There's no provision for how the prohibition would be enforced, or any requirement for people to prove they are citizens or legal residents before getting health care benefits. In fact, Democrats on the Energy and Commerce and Ways and Means committees defeated Republican-offered amendments that would have required people to verify their legal status before getting care, with some Democrats saying such requirements would be unnecessarily burdensome for people legally entitled to coverage. Wilson cited the defeat of those two amendments Thursday when he discussed his outburst with reporters.

"I will tell you this, that it was spontaneous. It was when he stated, as he did, about not covering illegal aliens, when I knew we'd had those two amendments," Wilson said.
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Thank you for the laugh. I love how the AP messes up. The article starts off saying he was wrong and then goes to prove he is right.

Obama says the illegals cannot participate in the changes he is proposing, and that includes government issued health care insurance. The next paragraph says illegals CAN participate in the government program, but they won't get the tax credits legal residents would be eligible for if needed. The article goes further to admit the current proposal has no eligibility requirements, including citizenship, which is what Wilson and the republicans want. So on two points, Wilson was right and AP's verdict is wrong.

And yes, Obama is liar. Anyone really believe his plan is self-sustaining and zero tax dollars will go into it? Yup, more federally funded abortions and higher deficits.

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 September 2009 - 12:46 AM' timestamp='1252557968' post='1964321']
Clearly you haven't watched the British house of commons on C-SPAN. The US Congress is tame in comparison.
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[quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 September 2009 - 12:49 AM' timestamp='1252558177' post='1964325']
Clearly you have no sense of humor, because the British House of Commons is great fun to watch, and the politicians there have real wit and tough skins. Congress is dull in the extreme.
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[quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 September 2009 - 12:53 AM' timestamp='1252558439' post='1964336']
I have watched the Canadian House of Commons too, and it is quite interesting, but the British seem to do it best. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]


I wish it would become common in the US, because I see nothing wrong with the Congressional leadership having to answer questions in open session, and maybe using a little political wit would help our country.
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Agree...

I don't have a problem with calling politicians out during speeches. Calmly listening to croutons is not really true charity when it might deceive listeners.

Not that I really know anything about the health care reform. I stopped caring about politics about a year ago when it was affecting my spiritual life. All I can do is work for the truth... but politics should not disturb our interior peace. If it does then we care too much. The only important thing is to get ourselves and our families to heaven.

[Lilllabettt]

The problem with our American system, is our head of state and head of government are all rolled into one guy.

Which means the President is involved in all the ugly sausage making associated with government policy (like the Britsh PM,)... and yet he is due the kind of honor respect the British would show their Queen.

A joint session of Congress is an exercise overlayed with sacred and somber meaning. In that context, it was inappropriate to shout at anyone during it, especially the President.

We are no less "civil" than the British, its just that our politicians fight and claw at each other outside the chamber. I much prefer the British method of "having it out." 1. It is more fun and 2. It keeps politicians from getting grandiose schemes in their heads.

Edited September 11, 2009 by Lilllabettt

[Didymus]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='09 September 2009 - 11:13 PM' timestamp='1252552391' post='1964222']
Is it true that no federal dollars would be used to fund abortions?
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nope.

http://factcheck.org/2009/08/abortion-which-side-is-fabricating/

Edited September 11, 2009 by Didymus

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='kujo' date='09 September 2009 - 11:53 PM' timestamp='1252558399' post='1964334']
Thank you! My A/C is broken and I live with a house filled with Obamaniacs and GLEE-fans. So it's been a rough evening.
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Don't knock Glee!

[Groo the Wanderer]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='10 September 2009 - 08:27 PM' timestamp='1252628841' post='1964635']
hahaha, right. spontaneous. everyone in congress got to read that speech hours in advance. so either he is lazy and didnt read it(something i would assume he is paid to do), or he planned to do something like that.
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Actually, they didn't.

It has been the norm up til now to distribute copies of the President's speech to members of Congress 15 minutes before it begins. On this occasion however, they were handed a laminated card, much like a restaurant menu, with the 44 main talking points the Obamallama was to cover. Not the speech - talking points.


Wow. So much for transparency. Only thing transparent about his speech were the teleprompters and his lies.

[add]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' date='11 September 2009 - 07:25 PM' timestamp='1252707946' post='1965048']
Actually, they didn't.

It has been the norm up til now to distribute copies of the President's speech to members of Congress 15 minutes before it begins. On this occasion however, they were handed a laminated card, much like a restaurant menu, with the 44 main talking points the Obamallama was to cover. Not the speech - talking points.


Wow. So much for transparency. Only thing transparent about his speech were the teleprompters and his lies.
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"The Emperor's New Clothes"

[add]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' date='11 September 2009 - 07:25 PM' timestamp='1252707946' post='1965048']
Actually, they didn't.

It has been the norm up til now to distribute copies of the President's speech to members of Congress 15 minutes before it begins. On this occasion however, they were handed a laminated card, much like a restaurant menu, with the 44 main talking points the Obamallama was to cover. Not the speech - talking points.


Wow. So much for transparency. Only thing transparent about his speech were the teleprompters and his lies.
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"The Emperor's New Clothes"

[add]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' date='11 September 2009 - 07:25 PM' timestamp='1252707946' post='1965048']
Actually, they didn't.

It has been the norm up til now to distribute copies of the President's speech to members of Congress 15 minutes before it begins. On this occasion however, they were handed a laminated card, much like a restaurant menu, with the 44 main talking points the Obamallama was to cover. Not the speech - talking points.


Wow. So much for transparency. Only thing transparent about his speech were the teleprompters and his lies.
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"The Emperor's New Clothes"