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I enjoy the political heckling. :) I especially enjoy the British and Canadian systems with all the funny rules and matters of decorum.

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[quote name='StColette' date='10 September 2009 - 10:45 AM' timestamp='1252593908' post='1964420']
Why in the world did Eagle_eye receive a negative point!!?

+1 to zero it out.
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+1 to you for your gallantry.

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[quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 September 2009 - 12:49 AM' timestamp='1252558177' post='1964325']
Clearly you have no sense of humor, because the British House of Commons is great fun to watch, and the politicians there have real wit and tough skins. Congress is dull in the extreme.
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:yes:

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Fights in parliaments are far worse. Not just in far east either.

The best part of the video was Nancy's look: "Oh my! I'm offended. How dare you sir!" She should have tilted her nose up a little when she gave that look.

The problem with the "You lie!" outburst was not in its accuracy but in its timing.

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+J.M.J.+
[url="http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/10/flashback-democratic-etiquette-in-the-bush-era/"]Democratic Etiquette in the Bush Era[/url]

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There was a lot of controversy last year (or maybe the year before last RE: heckling.

A Liberal woman in the Opposition was speaking, and of course when she paused, lots of the Conservatives were yelling stuff at her. Most of it doesn't go on record, because it's hard to decipher, but one MP got in trouble because it sounded like he called her a dog. This is even more fun because earlier in their careers, Stronach (the Liberal) had been a Conservative and was in a relationship with MacKay (the Conservative).
Oh politics. ^_^

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[quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 September 2009 - 12:46 AM' timestamp='1252557968' post='1964321']
Clearly you haven't watched the British house of commons on C-SPAN. The US Congress is tame in comparison.
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Agree.

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 September 2009 - 12:49 AM' timestamp='1252558177' post='1964325']
the British House of Commons is great fun to watch, and the politicians there have real wit and tough skins. Congress is dull in the extreme.
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Agree!

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 September 2009 - 12:53 AM' timestamp='1252558439' post='1964336']
I have watched the Canadian House of Commons too, and it is quite interesting, but the British seem to do it best. :)


I wish it would become common in the US, because I see nothing wrong with the Congressional leadership having to answer questions in open session, and maybe using a little political wit would help our country.
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Agree!

As an American living in the U.K. I agree on all counts, I like how spirited and passionate they are about things. I think it's great. (My dad loves watching it on TV too.)

I see no harm in any rumblings like that going on in Congress.

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honestly, who cares.

They clapped 46 times in the 48 minute speech.

Really?! Let the man talk.

If I wanted to watch so much clapping, I'd have watched America's Got Talent.

Besides, I liked it. Something had to balance out all the clearly happy clappy people.

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[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='10 September 2009 - 04:40 PM' timestamp='1252615240' post='1964538']
I see no harm in any rumblings like that going on in Congress.
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As long as the rumblings stay just that, rumblings. ;)

Congress has had its moments of...less than orderly conduct. :lol_pound: Immediately springing to mind is one Congressman caning another in the 1800s and I believe it was three being cited once for a violation of the rules due to a duel (one of them posthumously).

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Personally, I'd like to see more of this. Also some fist fights. Would that most of them gave enough of a croutons to physically wound other politicians.

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apparently that sort of outburst in congress, never actually happened in the 8 years that Bush was president. good to know the republicans are not above stooping even lower that past democrats.

well, that sort of passion over reason outburst is exactly like what obama wanted to call attention to in the town hall meetings, so this GOP guy picked a fair sized gun to shoot himself in the foot with.


edit: also he is an idiot.

apparently has received 244,000$ from the healthcare industry. and been completly a creature of hateful rhetoric and character assasination rather than having informed arguments and reasoning.
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/10/obama-speech-disrupter-a-health-industry-darling/

Edited by Jesus_lol
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/ap_on_go_co/us_illegal_immigrants_fact_check

WASHINGTON – Rep. Joe Wilson is wrong.

In his speech to Congress Wednesday, President Barack Obama said the changes to health care that he's proposing "would not apply to those who are here illegally." That prompted Wilson, a South Carolina Republican, to shout "You lie!" from his seat in the House chamber. Wilson later apologized for the outburst, but he didn't back down from his claim.

THE FACTS: The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, and they could also buy into a new government-run insurance plan if Congress creates one. But unlike legal residents, they wouldn't get federal subsidies to help them. The bill's exact language: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully in the United States." Health care legislation in the Senate is also being crafted to exclude illegal immigrants from coverage.

However, Wilson is far from alone in thinking that the prohibition in the House bill doesn't go far enough. For him and other Republicans, the problem is not what's in the bill, it's what the bill leaves out. There's no provision for how the prohibition would be enforced, or any requirement for people to prove they are citizens or legal residents before getting health care benefits. In fact, Democrats on the Energy and Commerce and Ways and Means committees defeated Republican-offered amendments that would have required people to verify their legal status before getting care, with some Democrats saying such requirements would be unnecessarily burdensome for people legally entitled to coverage. Wilson cited the defeat of those two amendments Thursday when he discussed his outburst with reporters.

"I will tell you this, that it was spontaneous. It was when he stated, as he did, about not covering illegal aliens, when I knew we'd had those two amendments," Wilson said.

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