CatherineM Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 A hooker uniform. I'm trying to visualize myself in a gold spandex mini-skirt, and tube top, and all I can visualize is some lame Harvey Korman sketch on the Carol Burnette show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Didn't have time to read it all but here's my two cents: Any sexual sin is considered grave matter by definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Also, it seems like there is a lot of confusion about terms here. Grave matter does not = mortal sin. Grave matter is only one of the three necessary requirements for mortal sin. I think the style of dance is objectively wrong and there is no justification as to "it's just having fun." Well... a person could claim that touching himself for sexual arousal is "just having fun" but that doesn't mean it isn't masturbation as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share Posted August 10, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Slappo' post='1944893' date='Aug 9 2009, 10:21 PM']Grave matter does not = mortal sin. Grave matter is only one of the three necessary requirements for mortal sin.[/quote] I think that we all realize that. But, note well, it is not incorrect to refer to actions themselves being mortally or venially sinful, objectively speaking. For example, the Catechism says, "If anger reaches the point of a deliberate desire to kill or seriously wound a neighbor, it is gravely against charity;[b] it is a mortal sin[/b]." ([i]Catechism of the Catholic Church[/i], no. 2302, emphasis added). Obviously we know that someone who had that kind of anger would not be guilty of a mortal sin if he do so without full knowledge or deliberate consent; however, that does not mean that we cannot speak of the that kind of anger as being a mortal sin, objectively speaking. Edited August 10, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1944901' date='Aug 9 2009, 08:34 PM']I think that we all realize that. But, note well, it is not incorrect to refer to actions themselves being mortally or venially sinful, objectively speaking. For example, the Catechism says, "If anger reaches the point of a deliberate desire to kill or seriously wound a neighbor, it is gravely against charity;[b] it is a mortal sin[/b]." ([i]Catechism of the Catholic Church[/i], no. 2302, emphasis added). Obviously we know that someone who had that kind of anger would not be guilty of a mortal sin if he do so without full knowledge or deliberate consent; however, that does not mean that we cannot speak of the that kind of anger as being a mortal sin, objectively speaking.[/quote] I was referring to post 34... I thought there were others which is why I said something but going back that is the only one I saw that looks like there is confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1944515' date='Aug 9 2009, 07:28 PM']A hooker uniform. I'm trying to visualize myself in a gold spandex mini-skirt, and tube top, and all I can visualize is some lame Harvey Korman sketch on the Carol Burnette show.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bone _ Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1944515' date='Aug 9 2009, 05:28 PM']A hooker uniform. I'm trying to visualize myself in a gold spandex mini-skirt, and tube top, and all I can visualize is some lame Harvey Korman sketch on the Carol Burnette show.[/quote] If you were a bit younger, and unmarried, I'd totally be in love with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Lawl. Poor T-Bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I need to revive this thread guys. A friend and I got on this subject, coincidentaly, and she doesn't understand how grinding and 'cuddling' are particularly different. She's Catholic, but lapsed, so this is going to have to come from a more secular perspective. Think you can help me out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted August 13, 2009 Author Share Posted August 13, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1947766' date='Aug 13 2009, 12:16 AM']I need to revive this thread guys. A friend and I got on this subject, coincidentaly, and she doesn't understand how grinding and 'cuddling' are particularly different. She's Catholic, but lapsed, so this is going to have to come from a more secular perspective. Think you can help me out?[/quote] As far as I am aware, most people are not usually sexually aroused by cuddling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1947805' date='Aug 13 2009, 01:04 AM']As far as I am aware, most people are not usually sexually aroused by cuddling.[/quote] You might be surprised. As far as involuntary effects go, cuddling can certainly do it. In my opinon, Principle of the Double Effect applies because the intent is not to arouse, in cuddling. One of her points is that grinding isn't meant to arouse either. Edited August 13, 2009 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 (edited) How could anyone be opposed to grinding pepper? Edited August 23, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauntingknight Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Sinful, unless their married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 I dun wanna know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christie_M Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 [quote name='dauntingknight' date='28 August 2009 - 09:49 PM' timestamp='1251517742' post='1957634'] Sinful, unless their married. [/quote] I have to disagree. Even if the couple is married, I find grinding to be more innapropriate, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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