Noel's angel Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 [quote name='missionseeker' post='1935343' date='Jul 30 2009, 06:42 AM']Lord of the Dance Servant SOng[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartjp2 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Oh, and how could I forget "How Great the Father's Love For Us"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 [quote name='missionseeker' post='1935343' date='Jul 29 2009, 11:42 PM']Lord of the Dance Servant SOng[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Wow, I got behind in this thread... [quote name='missionseeker' post='1935343' date='Jul 30 2009, 12:42 AM']Lord of the Dance Servant SOng[/quote] Lawl... Those hippies stole the Shaker melody "Simple Gifts" for the first one. [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1935463' date='Jul 30 2009, 06:36 AM']What is it, then? I know that it isn't from the Ordinary or the Propers (though I guess the first half of is the offertory of feast of the Immaculate Conception).[/quote] Just splitting hairs. It's a motet. [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1935487' date='Jul 30 2009, 08:22 AM']The "Pater Noster" is a text of the Mass, however, unlike the "Ave Maria". Generally anything sung during the Mass that is not a text from the ordinary or proper for that Mass is called a "hymn", even though that may not me the most correct thing to call it. If we wanted to be really picky about using the term "hymn" only for hymns strictly-so-called, we could not call "Salve Regina" a hymn either, since it is technically an antiphon.[/quote] Yeah, I was being picky. Just seeing your reaction [quote name='iheartjp2' post='1935644' date='Jul 30 2009, 01:49 PM']Two chants and a motet. [b]Not hymns[/b]. I'd have to say mine are "Be Still My Soul", "I Need Thee Every Hour", "Great Is Thy Faithfulness", "How Great Thou Art", "There is a Fountain", "At the Name of Jesus", "What Wondrous Love Is This", "When I Survey the Wondrous Cross", "Holy God We Praise Thy Name", "Pass Me Not, O Gentle Savior", and of course "Amazing Grace". Yeah, I know most of my faves are generally regarded as protestant tunes, but for being protestants, they sure knew how to strike a chord emotionally, spiritually, and musically. [/quote] The chants are hymns. [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1935678' date='Jul 30 2009, 02:45 PM']Chants can be hymns. For example, every single hymn in the [i]Breviarium Romanum[/i] has a chant setting. The "Te Deum", by the way is most certainly a hymn. In fact, its official name in the Breviary is "[i]Hymnus SS. Ambrosii et Augustini[/i]": The Hymn of Saints Ambrose and Augustine.[/quote] Exactly. The hymn I picked is a chant for Sunday vespers. [quote name='Noel's angel' post='1935754' date='Jul 30 2009, 03:53 PM'][/quote] Exactly. Cat told me to put the first one. I laughed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartjp2 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I'd just like to point out that I acknowledged my incorrect assessment. Is that just going to continue to be skipped over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1935880' date='Jul 30 2009, 05:27 PM']Just splitting hairs. It's a motet.[/quote] What would one call a polyphonic setting of "Vexilla Regis prodeunt"? Edited July 30, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappie Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) Daily, Daily, Sing to Mary :This lovely Marian hymn owes it's text to a 12th century poem of St Bernard. Mary is our eternal mother, drawing us closer to God through Jesus Daily Daily Sing to Mary Rev. F W Faber Daily Daily Sing to Mary Sing my soul her praises due All her feasts her actions worship With the heart's devotion true Lost in wond'ring contemplation Be her Majesty confess'd Call her Mother, call her Virgin Happy Mother Virgin Blest She is mighty to deliver Call her trust her lovingly When the tempest rages round thee She will calm the troubled sea Gifts of heaven she has given Noble Lady to our race She the Queen who decks her subject With the light of God's own grace. We used to sing this every day at school: Sub Tuum Praesidium Hymn to The Blessed Mary Sub tuum praesidium Configimus confugimus Sancta Dei Genitrix Sancta Dei Genitrix Nostras deprecationes Ne despicias Ne despicias In necessitatibus nostris Sed a periculis cunctis Libera nos semper Virgo gloriosa et benedicta Ye Who Own The Faith Of Jesus: written by an Anglican Vincent Stucky Stratton Coles Ye who own the faith of Jesus, sing the wonders that were done when the love of God the Father over sin the victory won, when he made the Virgin Mary mother of his only Son. Hail Mary, hail Mary, hail Mary, full of grace. Blessed were the chosen people out of whom the Lord did come; blessed was the land of promise fashioned for his earthly home; but more blessed far the mother, she who bare him in her womb. Hail Mary, hail Mary, hail Mary, full of grace. Wherefore let all faithful people tell the honor of her name; let the Church, in her foreshadowed, part in her thanksgiving claim; what Christ's mother sang in gladness let Christ's people sing the same. Hail Mary, hail Mary, hail Mary, full of grace. Let us weave our supplications, she with us and we with her, for the advancement of the faithful, for each faithful worshiper, for the doubting, for the sinful, for each heedless wanderer. Hail Mary, hail Mary, hail Mary, full of grace. May the Mother's intercessions on our homes a blessing win, that the children all be prospered, strong and fair and pure within, following our Lord's own footsteps, firm in faith and free from sin. Hail Mary, hail Mary, hail Mary, full of grace. For the sick and the aged, for our dear ones far away, for the hearts that mourn in secret, all who need our prayers today, for the faithful gone before us, may the holy Virgin pray. Hail Mary, hail Mary, hail Mary, full of grace. Praise, O Mary, praise the Father, praise thy Savior and thy Son, praise the everlasting Spirit, who hath made thee ark and throne o'er all creatures high exalted, lowly praise the Three in One. Hail Mary, hail Mary, hail Mary, full of grace. Edited July 30, 2009 by cappie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 [quote name='iheartjp2' post='1935883' date='Jul 30 2009, 06:33 PM']I'd just like to point out that I acknowledged my incorrect assessment. Is that just going to continue to be skipped over?[/quote] No. I'm sorry. You're excused [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1935886' date='Jul 30 2009, 06:42 PM']What would one call a polyphonic setting of "Vexilla Regis prodeunt"? [/quote] iunno. Motet? I'll looky up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartjp2 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1935886' date='Jul 30 2009, 06:42 PM']What would one call a polyphonic setting of "Vexilla Regis prodeunt"? [/quote] The setting of sacred or religious text to any unaccompanied polyphonic musical composition would be considered a motet. Edited July 30, 2009 by iheartjp2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Silouan_43 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Byzantine Chant..... Troparion of Pentecost: Most blessed art thou o' Christ our God who has revealed the fishermen as most wise by sending down upon them the Holy Spirit and through them has cast the world into thy net O' lover of all mankind glory to thee Paschal (Easter) Christ has risen from the dead trampling down death by death and upon those in the tombs bestowing life Baptismal Hymn For as many as have been baptised into Christ Have put on Christ Alleluia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 [quote name='iheartjp2' post='1935903' date='Jul 30 2009, 06:10 PM']The setting of sacred or religious text to any unaccompanied polyphonic musical composition would be considered a motet.[/quote] "Vexilla" is a [i]hymn[/i] from the [i]Breviarium Romanum[/i], though. It's the hymn for vespers in Passiontide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Even if vespers were to be sung in polyphony, "Vexilla Regis" would still be the hymn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartjp2 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1935921' date='Jul 30 2009, 08:32 PM']Even if vespers were to be sung in polyphony, "Vexilla Regis" would still be the hymn.[/quote] Once the text of "Vexilla Regis" is set to an unaccompanied, polyphonic composition, it's a motet. The fact that the text of a motet is taken from a hymn doesn't make the motet a hymn. If that were the case, any motet arrangement of "Salve Regina" or "Ave Maria" would be a hymn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartjp2 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 In other words, a motet is strictly a compositional form. It only requires that the text be sacred, no matter the origin thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 [quote name='iheartjp2' post='1936322' date='Jul 31 2009, 12:53 AM']Once the text of "Vexilla Regis" is set to an unaccompanied, polyphonic composition, it's a motet. The fact that the text of a motet is taken from a hymn doesn't make the motet a hymn. If that were the case, any motet arrangement of "Salve Regina" or "Ave Maria" would be a hymn.[/quote] "Salve Regina" is not a hymn. It is an antiphon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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