VeniteAdoremus Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1935155' date='Jul 30 2009, 03:58 AM']Mine are "Te Deum" (chant), "Adoro Te Devote" (chant), and "Ave Maria" (Tomas Luis de Victoria).[/quote] You should go pilgrimaging. Way to learn some awesome hymns. My favourites: My song is love unknown Be thou my vision Adeste Fideles ( nobody would have thought!) and Guide me, O thou great Redeemer for bellowing. And a bunch of Dutch ones. Especially the one for the Martyrs of Gorcum. It's late-19th-century, hilarious, blood splattering everywhere... apparently they forgot that the Martyrs were hanged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puellapaschalis Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Ad coenam Agni providi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1935184' date='Jul 29 2009, 09:02 PM']Technically that's not a hymn, the Ave.[/quote] What is it, then? I know that it isn't from the Ordinary or the Propers (though I guess the first half of is the offertory of feast of the Immaculate Conception). Edited July 30, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 [quote name='Maggie' post='1935158' date='Jul 30 2009, 02:03 AM']Be Thou My Vision![/quote] At my old parish, one of the priests would almost always have us sing Salve Regina for the recessional at daily Mass. He would joke that he only knew 2 hymns, and so you could always guess what he would sing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puellapaschalis Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1935463' date='Jul 30 2009, 12:36 PM']What is it, then? I know that it isn't from the Ordinary or the Propers (though I guess the first half of is the offertory of feast of the Immaculate Conception).[/quote] It's a prayer, like singing the Pater Noster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) [quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1935480' date='Jul 30 2009, 06:42 AM']It's a prayer, like singing the Pater Noster.[/quote] The "Pater Noster" is a text of the Mass, however, unlike the "Ave Maria". Generally anything sung during the Mass that is not a text from the ordinary or proper for that Mass is called a "hymn", even though that may not me the most correct thing to call it. If we wanted to be really picky about using the term "hymn" only for hymns strictly-so-called, we could not call "Salve Regina" a hymn either, since it is technically an antiphon. Edited July 30, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puellapaschalis Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1935487' date='Jul 30 2009, 02:22 PM']If we wanted to be really picky about using the term "hymn" only for hymns strictly-so-called, we could not call "Salve Regina" a hymn either, since it is technically an antiphon.[/quote] *shrug* Don't jump on me for trying to draw the distinction. My favourite is the Vespers hymn for Paschaltide. It doesn't suffer from this whole identity crisis malarky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zunshynn Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1935487' date='Jul 30 2009, 06:22 AM']The "Pater Noster" is a text of the Mass, however, unlike the "Ave Maria". Generally anything sung during the Mass that is not a text from the ordinary or proper for that Mass is called a "hymn", even though that may not me the most correct thing to call it. If we wanted to be really picky about using the term "hymn" only for hymns strictly-so-called, we could not call "Salve Regina" a hymn either, since it is technically an antiphon.[/quote] True... but lets not be picky this is a good topic! But yeah, even though the Ave Maria is a prayer, it's not a prayer that is actually part of the mass, so it definitely is a hymn. And anything we sing at Mass, should always be a prayer, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartjp2 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1935155' date='Jul 29 2009, 08:58 PM']Mine are "Te Deum" (chant), "Adoro Te Devote" (chant), and "Ave Maria" (Tomas Luis de Victoria).[/quote] Two chants and a motet. [b]Not hymns[/b]. I'd have to say mine are "Be Still My Soul", "I Need Thee Every Hour", "Great Is Thy Faithfulness", "How Great Thou Art", "There is a Fountain", "At the Name of Jesus", "What Wondrous Love Is This", "When I Survey the Wondrous Cross", "Holy God We Praise Thy Name", "Pass Me Not, O Gentle Savior", and of course "Amazing Grace". Yeah, I know most of my faves are generally regarded as protestant tunes, but for being protestants, they sure knew how to strike a chord emotionally, spiritually, and musically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 You can chant a hymn. But I agree that the Vittoria is a motet and not a hymn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 [quote name='iheartjp2' post='1935644' date='Jul 30 2009, 12:49 PM']Two chants and a motet. [b]Not hymns[/b]. [/quote] Chants can be hymns. For example, every single hymn in the [i]Breviarium Romanum[/i] has a chant setting. The "Te Deum", by the way is most certainly a hymn. In fact, its official name in the Breviary is "[i]Hymnus SS. Ambrosii et Augustini[/i]": The Hymn of Saints Ambrose and Augustine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 "Hymn" just means "song to praise god(s) or hero(s). "We are the Champions" is my favourite hymn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartjp2 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1935678' date='Jul 30 2009, 02:45 PM']Chants can be hymns. For example, every single hymn in the [i]Breviarium Romanum[/i] has a chant setting. The "Te Deum", by the way is most certainly a hymn. In fact, its official name in the Breviary is "[i]Hymnus SS. Ambrosii et Augustini[/i]": The Hymn of Saints Ambrose and Augustine.[/quote] You know, a minute after replying to you, I looked up "hymn" and "motet" on thesaurus.com and dictionary.com ('cause I'm a nerd), and you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zunshynn Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 [quote name='iheartjp2' post='1935644' date='Jul 30 2009, 11:49 AM']Two chants and a motet. [b]Not hymns[/b]. [/quote] A chant can be a hymn. In the divine office each hour begins with a hymn, and some of them are technically chants... even the ones that are more customarily considered hymns are not always sung during the office, they're chanted. The songs that have come to be considered "hymns" like the protestant kind, or Irish hymns, or others in the vernacular are typically what one thinks of hymns. But there are hymns that are much older than those, they are just not as traditionally considered hymns anymore, because the style is different. But there are many older ones, like Rex pointed out, the Te Deum. In fact the Te Deum is specifically referred to as a hymn in the LOTH. The grumpy smiley face was kind of rude and unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartjp2 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) [quote name='zunshynn' post='1935726' date='Jul 30 2009, 02:24 PM']A chant can be a hymn. In the divine office each hour begins with a hymn, and some of them are technically chants... even the ones that are more customarily considered hymns are not always sung during the office, they're chanted. The songs that have come to be considered "hymns" like the protestant kind, or Irish hymns, or others in the vernacular are typically what one thinks of hymns. But there are hymns that are much older than those, they are just not as traditionally considered hymns anymore, because the style is different. But there are many older ones, like Rex pointed out, the Te Deum. In fact the Te Deum is specifically referred to as a hymn in the LOTH. The grumpy smiley face was kind of rude and unnecessary.[/quote] Read the post above the one you just posted. Edited July 30, 2009 by iheartjp2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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