popestpiusx Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Excellent Priest, that Fr. Scalia!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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theculturewarrior Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 My thoughts on church music? Traditional hymns lift my heart to God and to Heaven in a way David Haas and Marty Haugen cannot. And I too am not a traditionalist. Vatican II brought about a new impetus in the Church. Now one of the motives of the Liturgy is "inculturation," or bringing [b]existing[/b] cultures and forms of sacred worship into the Catholic liturgical tradition. I think this is on the whole a good thing, but in the West, we don't need to be inculturated, because are form of sacred worship already belongs to the Catholic liturgical tradition. In other words, they did not inculturate sacred western folk traditions. [b]They invented a new culture[/b]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 And that new culture is opposed to the Catholic one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I think the major challenge I find is the suggestion that rock and roll music is objectively bad and harmful to the liturgy. This premise is difficult for me to assent to, despite my tastes. My preference in the liturgy is Polyphonic or Gregorian chant, or simple, Catholic hymnsongs. In fact, if I must remind people, I have a preference for the Tridentine Liturgy, or at the very least a Novus Ordo Liturgy done according to all the rubric, ad orientum. That is my preference, and it is my taste. It might even be objectively better, but that does not mean that a liturgy that has "rock and roll" is objectively wrong or evil or bad. I could concede that it is "worse" or "not as good" as the former, but I have yet to be convinced that it is bad or wrong or evil. To lead this point home, a choir that sings Gregorian Chant badly (out of tune, losing rhythm, saying the words poorly) is objectively worse, or not as good as one that sings the chants beautifully. This does not make the inferior choir bad or evil or wrong. What I find the most troubling is the suggestion that somehow certain forms of music are foreign to Christ. I do not think that any culture is foreign to Christ. Even the most pagan, blood thirsty, anti-Christian culture is not foreign to Christ, as we know from the Conversion of the Roman Empire. Even today's "teen" "rock and roll" cutlure is not foreign to Christ. He can come to this culture, just like he came to the Culture of Palestine and was a presence to be encountered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traichuoi Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 i don't think the genre of music can give way to something being evil or wrong so long as it points towards God and Catholic theology. some churches have gotten way out of hand because the songs being sung at mass are in total contradiction to Catholic theology. also, in writing music for liturgical use, it can't be written without proper study. meaning that liturgical music has "rules" (for lack of better word) that help the people pray. for instance, when praying a song and you sing the word "death" it should be a low note. if you sing the word "joy" it should be a high note. that is a simple way of explaining it but i did want to point out that there are guidelines to follow when writing this type of music because not only are we praying with the words but we are also praying with the notes, harmony, etc. so, if someone wrote a rock n roll song that was theologically correct and followed these guidelines, why not have it in mass? with this said, i prefer simple Catholic hymns...but that's just me...oh yea, i also love the Tridentine liturgy too...how about that Blazer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Trai, I'm telling you, we were made for each other . . . I have an idea, if you ever enter a Carmelite convent and I become a priest . . . well, have ever read the letters of St. Therese to the priests she was spiritually united to? Or maybe we can just get married? LOL . . . kidding . . . I'm not a wierdo .. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traichuoi Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 woah! is that suppose to be a proposal? i expect more than that...seriously... can u imagine being a priest and me being a nun and us going around cussing with a beer in hand and our good, mutual friend is *ahem* Hyper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 A proposal? I'm a romantic . . . did you read my post on that [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=9978&hl=proposals"]proposal thread[/url]? Anyway, I'm telling you, you would love CL . . . Hyper would fit in perfectly too . . . we're all a bunch of screwed up human beings trying to follow the Presence of Christ in our midst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I want to hang out with you guys too, but no need to write me any sappy letters. peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Pedro, we'll keep a beer cool for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traichuoi Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Pedro, what's your beer of choice? (did we just hijack this thread? LOL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Please God, I hoped we hijacked it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Did someone say beer???? :pipe: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Samuel Smith's Taddy Porter, that Belgian Trappist Ale with the funny name (the red label) or Wood Chuck Cider (on tap) However, since these are a bit hard to find I usually drink Newcastle, or Tanqueray and Tonic. If you see me sipping Bushmills, be prepared for a long conversation! peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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