qfnol31 Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 How much do ya'll know about the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal (often referred to as Fr. Benedict's order). I have a friend who will be joining them up in New York to start his novitiate come August. Also my youth group went up to the ordination of four friars last year and each year we have some of the friars come down to help out at retreats. Anyway, how much do you guys know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Way to charismatic for me. I serious issues with Fr. Stan's use of rock music during Mass. Theologicaly, I suppose they are ok. I have only met three or four of them so I can't give you much in that realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 I think I know a decent amount. I've considered joining them, and the possibility is still open... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 [quote]Way to charismatic for me. I serious issues with Fr. Stan's use of rock music during Mass. Theologicaly, I suppose they are ok. I have only met three or four of them so I can't give you much in that realm.[/quote] Actually, on the whole, they are extremely conservative. Also, Fr. Stan is one of the founders, so that takes some weight. The thing is, I don't think that there is necessarily any harm in that. What matters is whether the music is theologically correct, respectful to God and to creation, and sets the mood and brings people together (this coming from a VERY CONSERVATIVE seminarian). Fr. Stan's music is fits all of these very well and, like life-teen, which I believe has the blessing for its music, it brings youth into the Church. Also, I don't think he encourages moshing at his Masses... What bugs me about life-teen, however, is when some of them don't kneel at the Consecration, something I understand they do not have permission for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 This music issue needs to be discussed. The term "Sacred music" does not merely apply to lyrics. It goes well beyond that. Is this the begining of a tangent? Perhaps I should start a new thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Have you ever seeen Father Benedict on EWTN? or Life on the Rock on EWTN? That are awesome people and a faithful blessing to the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Yes I have. I have also seen him in person. This is irrelevant. What they do on EWTN is not the same as what they do at conferences. Fr Stan up behind the altar jamming during Holy Communion with Crispin is not what I would call a reverent Mass faithful to Holy Mother Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Apr 1 2004, 08:59 AM'] Yes I have. I have also seen him in person. This is irrelevant. What they do on EWTN is not the same as what they do at conferences. Fr Stan up behind the altar jamming during Holy Communion with Crispin is not what I would call a reverent Mass faithful to Holy Mother Church. [/quote] well, i don't know. I mean, in places like Africa, they have very different customs for music, etc during Mass. They do a lot of dancing. But that doesn't make it any less sacred. To them, that's honoring God in the best way they can. So I don't see anything wrong with Fr. Stan's Masses. It might not be to my own taste, but there's nothing bad about it. just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 I love the CFR's and Fr. Stan. I don't like haters. And I am more annoyed by the contstant "holier than thou" perspective of the trads on this board. They remind me of what I read about the Waldensians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Now blazr I said nothing about hate. I think you are jumping the gun don't you? Constant "holier than thou" perspective huh? That is most interesting. Can you define that for me? What do you mean by "holier than thou perspective"? You consider it "holier than thou" becasue I don't think a rock band is overly conducive to sanctity? Because I think (only because the Church had this standard for oh maybe 1970 years) that certain kinds of music are not befitting the Mass? Read St. Pius X on sacred music. Hell, even Vatican II has to be stretched to include rock music as acceptable. Waldensians? Can you back that point up as well please? Otherwise save your accusations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 And for the record, I am annoyed by people who think the Church was founded in 1962 with the opening of the Council and ignore 1962 years of Church teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 [url="http://www.unavoce.org/intersollicitudines.htm"]http://www.unavoce.org/intersollicitudines.htm[/url] The link is for Inter Sollicitudines, by Pope St. Pius X. Keep in mind that it was written in 1910 (I think) so he had never even heard o Rock music. However, looking at what forms of music he calls unacceptable, it is very clear where he would have come down on rock music. The man would flat have a heart attack if he saw a priest standing behind the altar playing a bass guitar with a rock band during Holy Communion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services. But other kinds of sacred music, especially polyphony, are by no means excluded from liturgical celebrations...In the Latin Church the pipe organ is to be held in high esteem, for it is the traditional musical instrument which adds a wonderful splendor to the Church's ceremonies and powerfully lifts up man's mind to God and to higher things. From[i] Sacrosanctam Conciliam[/i] of the Second Vatican Council promulgated Nov. 1963. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Woah, umm, you seem a little . . . tightly wound. Look, no one is suggesting that the Church began in 1962. I'm certainly not a person who has ever been accused of that. In fact, in my parish where I work the most often used phrase inteded to slander is that I am "pre-Vatican II." A "hater" is a person who cannot let a compliment go unchallenged. A person who is "holier than thou" in this regard is a person who can only see the holiness in others in as much as it corresponds to their own personality. It's someone who measures the rest of the world according to the standard of himself. Regardless, I think all of these complaints about Fr. Stan are absurd. He does not use "rock music" during his masses a bass guitar does not rock music make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Tightly wound? No. Tired and grouchy? Yes. I apologize. I'm not sure how the "hater" remark applies here. The question of the thread was asking what we know about cfr. So I answered. If that makes me a hater, well, so be it i guess. Holier than thou? That doesn't apply either. I have not indicated one way or another as to what my personal preferences are toward music. I am not basing it off my prefernces, personalities etc. I am basing it off what the Church herself says. If She choses not to enforce what she says, well then that is not my problem. But what she has said is obvious. The comments about Fr. Stan are far from absurd. I attended these Masses (twice it has happened at conferences that I was attending). I saw and heard with my own eyes and ears. He was not there by himself. He was playing Bass guitar with a band. The music the band was playing was rock music. Rock music is not fitting for the liturgy. Absurd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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