OraProMe Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) And shunning people because you disapprove of their behaviour will help restore morals to society? You can't save the world by hiding from it. Edited July 17, 2009 by OraProMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' post='1922465' date='Jul 17 2009, 01:36 AM']And shunning people because you disapprove of their behaviour will help restore morals to society? You can't save the world by hiding from it.[/quote] To avoid what unnecessarily leads others to sin will help restore morals to society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1922348' date='Jul 17 2009, 01:59 AM']Perhaps my example wasn't wonderful, but it isn't much different than the example of a Catholic with a disposition from abstinence eating meat on a Friday in Lent in public without a good reason and without letting those eating with him know that he has a disposition.[/quote] I in no way intend to sound snarky here, but do you mean 'dispensation'? I kinda went when I read disposition, and wasn't sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 [quote name='MissyP89' post='1922472' date='Jul 17 2009, 01:39 AM']I in no way intend to sound snarky here, but do you mean 'dispensation'? I kinda went when I read disposition, and wasn't sure.[/quote] Yes, dispensation is what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 Forgive my unpleasant disposition not to type dispensation correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1922471' date='Jul 17 2009, 02:38 AM']To avoid what unnecessarily leads others to sin will help restore morals to society.[/quote] But what about the people we avoid? While we may be helping 'others' by avoiding sinners by your logic, what about the sinners themselves? If we dissolve and shun relationships with them, how will they find Christ? If a house is on fire, should no one care about the people inside, because we're risking ourselves trying to save them? Edited July 17, 2009 by MissyP89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1922471' date='Jul 17 2009, 01:38 AM']To avoid what unnecessarily leads others to sin will help restore morals to society.[/quote] Cutting yourself off from people who lead sinful lives will provide them with no alternative example. You're not the only one/thing who can lead people to evil. But (from a Catholic perspective) people like you are the only one's who can lead them away from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 I'm friends with heroin addicts and gay people. Does this make me a sinner? Uh, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) [quote name='MissyP89' post='1922475' date='Jul 17 2009, 01:42 AM']But what about the people we avoid? While we may be helping 'others' by avoiding sinners by your logic, what about the sinners themselves? If we dissolve and shun relationships with them, how will they find Christ? If a house is on fire, should no one care about the people inside, because we're risking ourselves trying to save them?[/quote] If you personally being friends with someone would cause scandal (in many situations it would not), then the best thing you can do for someone would be to pray for him. I have had a friend in the past whom I decided to avoid. He had become an adamant atheist who hated all religions, especially Catholicism (the religion of the school that he attended). I decided that his friendship was certainly not helping me grow in holiness. If anything, it would only lead me away from God. The only thing I could do to help him was pray for him. I decided to end our friendship rather than risk my own soul in trying to help the soul of another. Even if one saves 100,000 souls, what will it profit him if he loses his own? Edited July 17, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) Oh my, that is horrid and so stupid. Why couldn't you just agree not to talk about it? Diversity of opinion is a good thing, even if someone is wrong. Wow, you don't answer his calls. I'm a little disgusted (yeah, I saw it before you edited your post). And if being friends with an atheist is a danger to your faith then your faith is pretty weak. Edited July 17, 2009 by OraProMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1922478' date='Jul 17 2009, 02:48 AM']I decided to end our friendship rather than risk my own soul in trying to help the soul of another.[/quote] That's the Christian spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' post='1922480' date='Jul 17 2009, 01:49 AM']Oh my, that is horrid and so stupid. Why couldn't you just agree not to talk about it? Diversity of opinion is a good thing, even if someone is wrong. Wow, you don't answer his calls. I'm a little disgusted (yeah, I saw it before you edited your post). And if being friends with an atheist is a danger to your faith then you wont survive in a secular world.[/quote] I don't think that diversity of opinion in matters of dogma is acceptable. In my opinion (as I am sure you know), everyone should be Catholic. I would like to add that he's not just an atheist. He's also just about the smartest person whom I know. Stupid atheists pose no harm to most people. Intellectual atheists often do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 [quote name='Kitty' post='1922481' date='Jul 17 2009, 02:51 AM']That's the Christian spirit. [/quote] I know! Not answering his calls and ignoring him at school, I'm shocked. That's horrible. This is why extreme interpretations of any religion are bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavenseeker Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 [quote name='Kitty' post='1922481' date='Jul 17 2009, 02:51 AM']That's the Christian spirit. [/quote] i actually agree with kitty on something? just kidding not the first time, its just rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1922484' date='Jul 17 2009, 02:53 AM']I don't think that diversity of opinion in matters of dogma is acceptable. In my opinion (as I am sure you know), everyone should be Catholic. I would like to add that he's not just an atheist. He's also just about the smartest person whom I know. Stupid atheists pose no harm to most people. Intellectual atheists often do.[/quote] But ditching a friend because they don't agree with you is inconceivable to me. I, and basically everyone I know, just don't operate that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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