"i Will Not Be A Catholic President," Says Kerry

[Trying2BFaithful]

Here's the article. The man has no spine. He makes me wanna vomit:

I will not be a Catholic president, says Kerry

March 29, 2004 14:06 IST


United States Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has advised church officials against telling American politicians what to do in context to their public life, Time magazine reports in New York.

"People in Rome are becoming more and more aware that there's a problem of John Kerry and a political scandal with his apparent profession of his Catholic faith and some of stances, particular abortion," Kerry said, while responding to a statement of a Vatican official to the Time magazine.

"I don't think it complicates things at all," he said, "We have separation of church and state in this country. As John Kennedy said very clearly 'I will be a president who happens to be Catholic, not a Catholic president'."

Kerry and other Catholic politicians have long argued that their religious beliefs need not influence their actions as elected representatives. This provoked New York's Archbishop John Cardinal O'Connor in 1984 to castigate both New York Governor Mario Cuomo and Democratic vice presidential nominee Geraldine Ferraro, who are both pro-choice.

Kerry enjoys a larger share of Catholic votes in states like New Hampshire, Missouri and Tennessee than he received from the Protestants.

Already, an employee of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops in Washington, Ono Ekeh, said he lost his job as a result of what he had written on his Yahoo discussion-group website, 'Catholics for Kerry'.

Ekeh, 33, had criticised the bishops' recent edicts that Catholic politicians should vote according to Church teaching.

Meanwhile, in his speech in Missouri on Sunday, Kerry cited the scripture in his appeal for the worshippers saying 'what does it profit, my brother, if someone says he has faith but does not have works'.

Kerry never mentioned Bush by name but was critical of 'our present leadership'. Reacting to it, Bush's campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt was quoted as saying Kerry's comment 'was beyond the bounds of acceptable discourse and a sad exploitation of scripture for a political attack'.

Edited March 30, 2004 by Trying2BFaithful

[Colleen]

That was a pretty biased article.

[Trying2BFaithful]

Colleen: How so?

Are you saying its ok to vote for someone who's Pro-Choice? Because the pope would certainly disagree with you.

[Trying2BFaithful]

Colleen: I posted in haste.

I apologize. You clearly would not vote for him. I just read your other posts. Again, my apologies.

-Patrick

[Thy Geekdom Come]

So it comes to where Kerry has his loyalty. Think about it.

The Constitution allegedly says that the state and religion can have nothing to do with each other.

The Bible says that we must not only have faith, but we must follow the faith, manifesting our grace in works.

So, does Kerry go with the Bible or the Constitution? He goes with the Constitution and puts the signatures of thirteen men, all sinners, before the the word of God.

Clearly, Kerry should be ashamed. We pray for his conversion.

[thicke]

[quote name='Colleen' date='Mar 30 2004, 02:53 PM'] That was a pretty biased article. [/quote]
True. But, it was biased in the opposite direction from most articles I've read about Mr. Kerry.

[Brother Adam]

Interesting read. I agree to a certian extent that Kerry would have to keep "religion" out of certian policy makings. i.e. He could not mandate that everyone must in Church on Sunday. It saddens me he is prochoice though.

[Iacobus]

Colleen in what way was it baised? I really don't see too much there except facts and I tend to be able to pick up and biases pretty well, but not here. Can you help?

[Colleen]

[quote name='Trying2BFaithful' date='Mar 30 2004, 03:01 PM'] Colleen: I posted in haste.

I apologize. You clearly would not vote for him. I just read your other posts. Again, my apologies.

-Patrick [/quote]
Sorry, I should have clarified. I said it was biased because it's making John Kerry out to be a sort of victim.

I do not want Kerry to win. It would be a huge scandal to the Church if he did. I'm curious as to how the bishops would deal with it.

[Iacobus]

OH! LOL, I love sept of Church and state, lol. LOOK AT THE LAWS! LOL, all of them are based on Church ideas so the question is, it the state really sept from the Church?

[Trying2BFaithful]

The Constitution does not guarantee a separation of Church and State. If you refer to the writings of Jefferson and Washington and all the other founding fathers, you'll discover that they wanted very much for the United States to be a "Christian" country. However, they wanted NO religious persecution by the government. Meaning the practice of ANY religion is not just tolerable, it's a fundamental human right.

The separation of Church and state is not constitutional. In fact, it's outright lie. It runs in direct opposition to the stated intentions of our founding fathers. They very much wanted a country governed by ethics and morality. To affiliate particular morals with particular religions does not mean that these morals are [i]exclusively[/i] religious (like abortion...I know atheists who are Pro-Life). Trying to dissect religion and politics only leads us in the wrong direction. All laws reflect moral conviction. So when Kerry wants to separate his religious values from his political activity, he's basically saying that he doesn't stand for anything. He's a walking contradiction. He claims that he draws his political values from the "Catholic" faith, but when challenged on a political issue with implications to that faith, he balks. He's a spineless, politically-opportunistic wimp. Pandering to his Massachusetts "I claim to be Catholic but am really not" sellouts is most important to him. That and his Botox injections.

Don't vote for this fool.

Edited March 30, 2004 by Trying2BFaithful

[dUSt]

If Kerry becomes president, I pray that the pope will publicily ban him from receiving communion, unless he changes his stance on abortion. What better way to prove to the world that the Catholic Church is the last remaining institutional power that will fight for morality?

IF Kerry becomes president, I hope and pray that the Church will make it clear to the world that Kerry is NOT a Catholic in good standing with the Church.

[ryanmeyersmusic]

To me, someone who claims to be Catholic but doesn't consider the laws of the Catholic Church important enough to act on makes me wonder if he feels the same way about being an American...

Don't associate yourself with something you don't believe in, or people may wonder if you do the same thing with all aspects of your life...

[Colleen]

[quote name='Trying2BFaithful' date='Mar 30 2004, 03:19 PM'] He claims that he draws his political his values from the "Catholic" faith, but when challenged on a political issue with implications to that faith, he balks. He's a spineless, politically-opportunistic wimp. Pandering to his Massachusetts "I claim to be Catholic but am really not" sellouts is most important to him. [/quote]
Exactly. I found this quote from [url="http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6356"]this editorial:[/url]

[quote]Kerry says the Pope shouldn't instruct politicians, yet in the 1980s he inserted into the Congressional Record the American Catholic bishops' ill-advised pastoral letter against Reaganomics. Kerry called the quasi-socialist U.S. bishops' pastoral letter on the economy "an important document which should be read by Catholics and non-Catholics alike."[/quote]

So basically, he's using his faith simply as a way to get votes. He's being hypocritical, too.

[Iacobus]

I hope Kerry becomes a better Catholic. I really don't like Bush, I have a keen intrest in social justice, and voting for him would require me to hold my nose and probly jump off a cliff. So I will vote for some thrid party, pro life, before I vote for Bush, unless Kerry changes on a few issues.