Indoctrination

[PeteWaldo]

I’m pretty confident that I won’t have been given all the answers, or have been shown the whole truth, before the day that I stand before my Creator in judgment. I just pray that on that day I can rest on having done everything in my power to have sought it out, because Jesus IS THE TRUTH.

The most widely held eschatological traditions in the church [b]necessarily preclude[/b] that Mohammed could be THE false prophet prophesied in the book of Revelation. With much of the church believing that most of Revelation after chapter three was fulfilled by 70AD, while the majority of the rest of the church believes that virtually none of that portion of Revelation will be fulfilled until some 7-year period yet in the future. Thus 7th century Mohammed cannot even be considered as fulfilling that role.

At the same time, the most important fundamental of Islam, held by 1/4 of mankind today, requires denying that Jesus is the Son of God.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Indeed the greatest, and only unpardonable, sin in Islam (shirk) is committed if a Muslim confesses that Jesus is the Son of God. A religion whose very basis absolutely requires denial that Jesus even died on the cross:

Surah 4.157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them ... for of a surety they killed him not:-

Yet how many individuals in just the three groups described above could imagine even for a moment, that what they have been indoctrinated to believe, could be in substantial error?

In regard to the two camps described within the church, each must necessarily believe the other to be virtually 100% in error, as regards their understanding of the book of Revelation, after chapter three.

At the same time, all Christians and Jews understand that Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled steadily, as the era about which they were written gradually unfolded, as in Daniel’s kingdom “beasts” for example. Yet while the church holds this continuous-historic understanding for Old Testament prophecy, during the 20th century it became increasingly unimaginable that New Testament prophecy could have been fulfilled in the very same fashion, necessarily precluding that Mohammed could be THE false prophet, in spite of his leading his people - specifically in the spirit of antichrist - for 1400 years.

Isn't that peculiar?

1John 2:22 [color="#000080"]Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? [b]He is antichrist, that denieth[/b] the Father and [b]the Son[/b]. 23 [b]Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:[/b] [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also]. [/color]

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them
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[OraProMe]

What is this croutons? Why don't you focus on saving your own soul and converting Muslims rather than spreading this dribble. This stuff makes people disregard anything good you might say. It overshadows it.

More flies with honey, my friend.

[dairygirl4u2c]

the way it's presented definitely makes it look bad- the way it's presented in form. even if the arguments are good.
and even if good, it's looks bad per motivation- why post that here? it's as if he's spreading if not hate contempt or if not contempt simple slams unbecoming of a chrisitan. (i would argue

[Winchester]

AD should precede the date.

The Church teaches that Revelation has happened is happening and will happen.

[T-Bone _]

[Winchester]

Vroom vroom.

[Saint Therese]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1928827' date='Jul 22 2009, 09:42 PM'][/quote]

Iawtc.

[Hassan]

[quote name='OraProMe' post='1928019' date='Jul 22 2009, 07:53 AM']What is this croutons? Why don't you focus on saving your own soul and converting Muslims rather than spreading this dribble. This stuff makes people disregard anything good you might say. It overshadows it.

More flies with honey, my friend.[/quote]
I disagree. Even I, the Chief Imam of Secret Islam, must admit that PeterWaldo always presents his points in a cogent, lucid manner. I appreciate his keen intelect, good humor, and fair mindedness.

[Selah]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1928841' date='Jul 22 2009, 11:01 PM']Vroom vroom.[/quote]

[mortify]

[b]Youtube video on childhood indoctrination:

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP7J-8B1wbA&feature=channel_page"]Indoctrination[/url][/b]

[Sirklawd]

[quote name='PeteWaldo' post='1910790' date='Jul 4 2009, 03:04 PM']At the same time, the most important fundamental of Islam, held by 1/4 of mankind today, requires denying that Jesus is the Son of God.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Indeed the greatest, and only unpardonable, sin in Islam (shirk) is committed if a Muslim confesses that Jesus is the Son of God. A religion whose very basis absolutely requires denial that Jesus even died on the cross:[/quote]

is this true? (i know nothing of Islam).
and what is the uh...consequences...of committing such a sin