Didymus Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903863' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:40 PM']The EF displays the Catholic faith better than the OF as it is normally celebrated.[/quote] not if it's done in a pompous and conceited manner, where the "OF" is seen as something inferior, as if Jesus isn't truly present at both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903878' date='Jun 28 2009, 09:56 PM']Would you not say that Communion on the tongue, which is the only way to receive Communion in the EF, better displays our belief in transubstantiation than Communion in the hand, which is allowed in the OF in most countries?[/quote] I know people who cherish and value what they see as a little extra time with Our Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Didymus' post='1903886' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:05 PM']not if it's done in a pompous and conceited manner, where the "OF" is seen as something inferior, as if Jesus isn't truly present at both.[/quote] Most of the prayers in the OF are inferior to those of the EF. Obviously the Consecration in each is equal. As I have stated before, transubstantiation would occur even if the priest went to altar, said the Words of Consecration over the correct bread and wine with the correct intention, and then left. Edited June 28, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903874' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:54 PM']There is no reason for this thread to be closed.[/quote] says you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Share Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='VeniteAdoremus' post='1903893' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:10 PM']I know people who cherish and value what they see as a little extra time with Our Lord.[/quote] What do you think about the fact that particles having the accidents of bread are detached from the larger Host and lost when Communion is distributed in the hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Resurrexi, get a grip and grow up. The world doesn't revolve around you and what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Share Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Noel's angel' post='1903898' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:15 PM']Resurrexi, get a grip and grow up. The world doesn't revolve around you and what you think.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903897' date='Jun 28 2009, 10:15 PM']What do you think about the fact that particles having the accidents of bread are detached from the larger Host and lost when Communion is distributed in the hand?[/quote] This happens only if 1. the altar host is so big that the celebrant(s) don't consume all of it, AND 2. the celebrant is sloppy in breaking and distributing it, AND 3. a particle sticks to the recipients hand and the recipient does not notice and correct it. You can easily circumvent all three of these points, just like you can circumvent accidentally dropping Our Lord on the floor by letting an altar boy hold a paten. (And do it well. Because this also goes wrong from time to time.) If you were talking about the smaller hosts: there are kinds that really do not crumble. We don't use them at our Cathedral, but we take care to purify the ciborium as soon as we see crumbles. Microscopic parts are always lost at Communion, no matter in what form. I'm playing Devil's advocate here, because I prefer receiving on the tongue. But I strongly believe that if the Church thought as I did about the abusiveness of communion in the hand, she wouldn't have allowed it under [i]any[/i] circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) Even when small circular Hosts are distributed for Communion some [b]visible [/b]particles detach: You should take a look at [url="http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/03/hand-in-glove-02-another-communion-in-the-hand-experiment/"]this[/url]. Edited June 28, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 So before Mass today I remembered this thread...and it's grown a number of pages since my last post, so I hope no one minds if I hearken back to a question in the original post. Does this hypothetical "perfect parish" have "perfect" parishioners as well? Because if not, then probably the OF Mass, I'd rather be amongst people who pay attention rather than simply "say the Rosary" as the Mass proceeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Share Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='BG45' post='1903932' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:49 PM']So before Mass today I remembered this thread...and it's grown a number of pages since my last post, so I hope no one minds if I hearken back to a question in the original post. Does this hypothetical "perfect parish" have "perfect" parishioners as well? Because if not, then probably the OF Mass, I'd rather be amongst people who pay attention rather than simply "say the Rosary" as the Mass proceeds.[/quote] Are you implying that one cannot participate in the Mass by saying the Rosary? (N.B., I hardly ever see anyone praying the Rosary during the EF, espeically not during High Mass) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903918' date='Jun 28 2009, 10:39 PM']Even when small circular Hosts are distributed for Communion some [b]visible [/b]particles detach: You should take a look at [url="http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/03/hand-in-glove-02-another-communion-in-the-hand-experiment/"]this[/url].[/quote] Like I said, this is avoidable to the same imperfect level as problems with communion on the tongue are avoidable. But it's an interesting post. I like the various comments, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 This thread is a great idea. Let's encourage Catholics to fight with Catholics. We need more division amongst Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Share Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='VeniteAdoremus' post='1903948' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:54 PM']Like I said, this is avoidable to the same imperfect level as problems with communion on the tongue are avoidable. But it's an interesting post. I like the various comments, too.[/quote] To me it seems like someone who receives Communion in the hand actually needs to inspect their hands or else visible particles that detached from the Host will be lost. I actually once heard a homily at the OF in which the priest directed those who receive Communion in the hand to check their hands for particles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1903949' date='Jun 28 2009, 10:54 PM']This thread is a great idea. Let's encourage Catholics to fight with Catholics. We need more division amongst Christians.[/quote] It's like picking at a scab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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