OraProMe Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Well I plan on having a family when I'm older and adopting kids. I also plan to raise those kids Catholic. At the moment I don't receive the sacraments but do attend Mass, say the rosary, adoration etc. But my question is: Will the Church baptize a child of a same sex couple, first communion and confirm them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 My godson's parents weren't married at the time of his baptism (and even less so now), so there certainly isn't a hard rule that the parents must be fully living along Church lines in order to make it possible. But I would imagine that individual priests can have doubts about your ability to raise the children Catholic, and therefore not accept your promise to do so. And I can't imagine what they would put in the registry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 Ahhhhhh me neither. I think the other two might be alright because the parents don't really need to make a promise for the child. Hmmm, I might just have them baptised by an Anglo-Catholic "priest" and make sure that he says the formula correctly. Or do it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 The best way to do it yourself would be keeping them under until they almost drown and then say the words, because you need extreme cause for it to be valid, don't you? And we can haz infant baptism because the parents' promise stands in lieu of the catechumens'. So it is important. But how important... is something for the Q&A board I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I've only had that type of situation once in baptism prep. In that case it was two women. They had been coming to mass, not receiving the sacraments, for 5 years. The child was the natural child of one of them, and was 8 years old if I remember correctly. We treated it as we would have for a single mom. The Godparents were a couple who were in communion. Our pastor believed that they would continue to raise the child Catholic since they had been active in the Church even though they couldn't receive communion. They did a lot of church functions, and I saw them both at confession regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 They went to confession? I was told here I shouldn't go to confession because it's not valid if you purposely with hold a sin? Yeah, that seems the go Catherine. Single parent style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' post='1902078' date='Jun 26 2009, 09:03 AM']They went to confession? I was told here I shouldn't go to confession because it's not valid if you purposely with hold a sin? Yeah, that seems the go Catherine. Single parent style.[/quote] They were both catholic, and as to whether they withheld a sin, that would be between them and their confessor, so I couldn't say. Their relationship wasn't a secret in the parish. As long as they came to church, but didn't receive communion, everyone was very cordial to them. My father couldn't receive communion because he didn't have his first marriage annulled (out of pure stubbornness because he had automatic grounds), but he still went to confession. He also received communion once a year, during Easter as is required. He'd go to confession, and then receive communion once. It's not the remarriage that gets you in trouble with the church, it is the sex with someone who isn't your spouse in the eyes of the church. I've known priests who have handled situations where someone can't receive an annulment in that manner. They would say it was being handled "pastorally" and leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' post='1902078' date='Jun 26 2009, 10:03 AM']They went to confession? I was told here I shouldn't go to confession because it's not valid if you purposely with hold a sin?[/quote] It is considered the sin of sacrilege. [quote name='OraProMe' post='1902078' date='Jun 26 2009, 10:03 AM']Yeah, that seems the go Catherine. Single parent style.[/quote] It is not the way to go: [url="http://www.usccb.org/laity/marriage/children.shtml"]http://www.usccb.org/laity/marriage/children.shtml[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 (edited) 1. I am not an American so what bishops who have no jurisdiction over me decide to do on this issue doesn't really matter to me. 2. That didn't even address the question. It was something about the benefits of marriage on children. I don't think you understood what I meant when I said "single parent style", which indicates you haven't read the entire thread Great. Edited June 26, 2009 by OraProMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' post='1902103' date='Jun 26 2009, 10:29 AM']1. I am not an American so what bishops who have no jurisdiction over me decide to do on this issue doesn't really matter to me. 2. That didn't even address the question. It was something about the benefits of marriage on children. I don't think you understood what I meant when I said "single parent style", which indicates you haven't read the entire thread Great.[/quote] 1) Just because it is from a US bishops' conference does not mean that there is not truth in it. 2) Yes it addresses the question - multiple ways. It covers the need for two parents - of OPPOSITE genders. I don't what else "single parent style" can mean. Maybe you need to be clearer in your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' post='1902035' date='Jun 26 2009, 07:02 AM']Hmmm, I might just have them baptised by an Anglo-Catholic "priest" and make sure that he says the formula correctly. Or do it myself.[/quote] +J.M.J.+ don't you see where you disagreeing with the Church on homosexual relations has already led you? it has led you to being prepared to having possible children baptized by someone other than a Catholic priest (though I know that such baptisms are valid as long as there is proper form + matter) and baptized outside of a Catholic ceremony because the Church will not condone a homosexual relationship. where else will your dissent lead you? it can only lead you farther away from the Church. though i do not know your name, i will include you and your discernment in my prayers today. (as i pray for all phatmassers' and their intentions.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkaands Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 (edited) [quote name='OraProMe' post='1902024' date='Jun 26 2009, 07:48 AM']Well I plan on having a family when I'm older and adopting kids. I also plan to raise those kids Catholic. At the moment I don't receive the sacraments but do attend Mass, say the rosary, adoration etc. But my question is: Will the Church baptize a child of a same sex couple, first communion and confirm them?[/quote] You'll find a priest that will do it. How does the priest know that you're 'living in sin'? Can any priest prove that any set of parents is[i] not [/i]in a state of sin? Is that question asked at the baptism--"Are either of you in a state of mortal sin?" I hadn't heard that that is part of the baptism ritual. My impression is that many if not most homosexual marriages end up companionate--not sexually active. The priest won't take it out on the child, who'll be adopted anyway. This is long into your future. Don't worry about it now. A few years ago you thought that you couldn't get married. Now you can. Unless Rome promulgates on this, or each and every local bishop in the world takes a stance on this issue in his diocese, you'll be able to find a priest who will baptize your child whether in a diocese or in a religious order. This ignores the basic question: do you really want this for your child? Rome isn't going to change its opinion about your sexuality or the marriage, and therefore will teach the child that his/her parents--as homosexuals living together, which assumes they're sexually active--are in a state of mortal sin. Is this what you want? Edited June 26, 2009 by jkaands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 (edited) OraProMe, If you do what Aloysius said, you might be able to procreate your own children in the future. In that case, you could certainly have the children born of your wife baptized in a Catholic church. Edited June 26, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I know of a case where a homosexual couple (who were attempting to live chastely) adopted and had their child baptized. The priest had insisted that it be done in a private ceremony so as not to cause scandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1902148' date='Jun 26 2009, 11:19 AM']+J.M.J.+ don't you see where you [b]disagreeing with the Church on homosexuality[/b] has already led you? it has led you to being prepared to having possible children baptized by someone other than a Catholic priest (though I know that such baptisms are valid as long as there is proper form + matter) and baptized outside of a Catholic ceremony because the Church will not condone a homosexual relationship. where else will your dissent lead you? it can only lead you farther away from the Church. though i do not know your name, i will include you and your discernment in my prayers today. (as i pray for all phatmassers' and their intentions.)[/quote] (emphasis mine) i have nothing to add except this: the Church does not teach against homosexuality. the Church teaches against homosexual relations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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