Jesus Christ..

[Jake Huether]

I don't know why, but the other night I was contemplating the significance of circumcision as it related to God. And here is what came to my mind.

There is a striking connection between the life and Passion of Christ, and the Old Covenant circumcision.


You see,

A males sex organ is used to preserve and propagate, "save" so to speak, the human race - in the flesh. Our flesh, our existence hinges on the male sex organ.


Jesus is the "organ" used to preserve and propagate, "save", the human race - in the Spirit. Our spiritual existence hinges on Jesus Christ.


It is by circumcision that the isrealites suffered and bled, and so entered the family of God. It was this sex organ, the instrament of preservation of the human race, that had to bleed in order for them to enter into the family of God.

We no longer need to suffer and bleed, because Christ (this Sprititual "organ") suffered and bled. He became circumcision.

Now, our hearts are circumcised by being Baptised into Christs Passion, Death and Resurrection.


I just thought it was very interesting that circumcision had to deal with the penis, the organ through wich human life is transmited, in the flesh. And Jesus, the Person through which all Spiritual Life has been presurved, had to suffer and bleed in the New Covenant.


This gave testimony, to me at least, that God is the same, and unchanging. The Son WAS, IS, and WILL BE for ever more.

Edited March 29, 2004 by Jake Huether

[phatcatholic]

that is quite an acute observation. as i ponder it, i come to some other logical conclusions.

--physical life is created when the male organ enters the woman through "fleshy" means
--"new life" is possible because the "organ" that is Jesus Christ entered the woman through "spiritual" means.

--it is often said that circumcision is necessary to prevent disease or infection of the organ
--our "new circumcision" or baptism is necessary to rid us of the disease or infection of sin

--once a man recieves circumcision, he is forever different then he was before. he cannot be circumcized again.
--through baptism, an indelible mark is made upon our spirit and we are a new and different creature. we cannot be baptized again

the parallels between the old and the new circumcision are definitely intriguing, and i think you for this valuable insight. maybe your post will go well in the baptism entry

pax christi,
phatcatholic

[Jake Huether]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Mar 29 2004, 12:38 PM'] that is quite an acute observation. as i ponder it, i come to some other logical conclusions.

--physical life is created when the male organ enters the woman through "fleshy" means
--"new life" is possible because the "organ" that is Jesus Christ entered the woman through "spiritual" means.

--it is often said that circumcision is necessary to prevent disease or infection of the organ
--our "new circumcision" or baptism is necessary to rid us of the disease or infection of sin

--once a man recieves circumcision, he is forever different then he was before. he cannot be circumcized again.
--through baptism, an indelible mark is made upon our spirit and we are a new and different creature. we cannot be baptized again

the parallels between the old and the new circumcision are definitely intriguing, and i think you for this valuable insight. maybe your post will go well in the baptism entry

pax christi,
phatcatholic [/quote]
Oh man, you hit it right on. I had the some of the same thoughts last night, though I forgot to post them...

In particular the similarity between the marriage act (sex), and the Incarnation.

Thanks for your input.

[willguy]

::blushes::

Good observations, though probably not the thing to proclaim from the housetops given the ...cough... personal nature of it.

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='willguy' date='Mar 29 2004, 09:40 PM'] ::blushes::

Good observations, though probably not the thing to proclaim from the housetops given the ...cough... personal nature of it. [/quote]
hehe, lol! i hear what ur sayin!! you would definitely have to gage the intellect and maturity of your audience

[Jake Huether]

I know. Isn't it sad how badly we've damaged the real meaning of human sexuality?

I was thinking further on this subject on the way home from work, and that very thing struck me.

Satan has really conditioned us to think of sex and the sexual functions / organs as something "gross" or "bad". And what a strike at the heart of Christ, who gives Spiritual life.

The way we've totally demolished the intent of sex is a sure indication of how HOLY and Special it was originally intended to be.

It's almost like: If you look at what Church is attacked the most by Satan you can tell which one is the most important (the Catholic Church). I mean, if it isn't of God, why would Satan bother? Same thing with sex and it's surrounding topics / nomenclature. If it wasn't so important, why would Satan bother?

[Dave]

[quote name='Jake Huether' date='Mar 30 2004, 09:40 AM'] I know. Isn't it sad how badly we've damaged the real meaning of human sexuality?

I was thinking further on this subject on the way home from work, and that very thing struck me.

Satan has really conditioned us to think of sex and the sexual functions / organs as something "gross" or "bad". And what a strike at the heart of Christ, who gives Spiritual life.

The way we've totally demolished the intent of sex is a sure indication of how HOLY and Special it was originally intended to be.

It's almost like: If you look at what Church is attacked the most by Satan you can tell which one is the most important (the Catholic Church). I mean, if it isn't of God, why would Satan bother? Same thing with sex and it's surrounding topics / nomenclature. If it wasn't so important, why would Satan bother? [/quote]
And because of the false notion that sex is bad or gross, maybe that just makes sex outside of marriage more attractive. I mean, look at drugs and stuff. If there's an element of "bad" about it, it seems to entice young people all the more.

[ilovechrist]

like willguy said, it seems that we need to keep this one off the rooftops... it's really sad how the value of sexuality has decreased to... almost nothing. i can't understand why "bad" elements seem to draw us into sin... maybe someday it will all be revealed.

Mary, Queen of All Saints, pray for us!

[Jake Huether]

Had some additional thoughts that kind of go with this topic:


Isn't it interesting how if one was circumcised it wasn't like after that everyone could tell physically that a change had taken place? I mean the outword sign was on his...uhem...lower extremity...

The sign is between him and God. And when a young Jewish man would marry, then everytime his wife and him would make love they would be reminded of his covenant with God!

It is incredible how closely interwoven in our Faith is our sexuality. No wonder Satan has a foothold on this area. He wants to destroy something good.

You see, circumcision happened once in a mans life, but it was renewed everytime he saw himself. And with his wife, she would be reminded of this covenant everytime she saw her hubby. So it wasn't like as an infant he needed that faith. The faith of his Parents was built upon throughout the growing boys life. His faith would be affirmed everytime he saw himself.

Same with Baptism, even of an infant. It happens once to the child, but throughout their life, they are constantly reminded of this covenant. When we enter a church and dip our finger in holy water and make the sign of the cross we recall our Baptismal Graces. So the infant doesn't need the faith to obtain the Grace. The parents have faith, and as the child grows his faith is built on their faith. Faith I suppose then isn't much good if your on your own. I mean it is good. But faith in communion, that is in a large group, is POWER. So we raise up a generation of faith. My childs faith will build on mine, just like mine was built on my Parents! God talks about generational curses, (i.e. I will curse you and your kids). God doesn't actually do the curses (how can God curse). But God allows, because of our free will, a generation to be built on sin. When a parent has sin, his childs sins are much more worse. The sins of a child builds on the sins of parents! And we have Masses and services to break these generational curses. It takes a lot (and I mean LOT) for a child raised in sin to break this tie. The same thing with a blessing (Grace). If I am a child whose parenst don't have faith, my faith may become strong. But you see, a child whose parents and whose parents parents have been Graced, is brought up with powerful Graces and Faith! Their faith is much much tougher to shake. This is why infant Baptism is awesome! It washes away the childs sins, but it ties them that much closer to God's family right off the get go.

[phatcatholic]

that was golden bro, ur my freakin idol

[Jake Huether]

Ah shucks. You're makin me blush. It was all God, dude. I try at times to be His humble servant. But must of the time I'm Peter - in his denying stage.