VeniteAdoremus Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I wish Marie-Therese's post wasn't ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) Oh man. Look, if you want to debate this then start a thread in the debate table. That's why I asked you not to post here because all you're interested in is arguing. [i]The purpose of this forum is to Preach Holy Apostolic Truth, not to serve as personal therapy or validation for you.[/i] Right. Because if I wanted personal therapy or validation I'd definitely come to a forum full of orthodox Catholics. Makes sense. [i]If you seek private counseling, a public internet forum is not the place for it.[/i] ummm..... what? No, no. I'm a toughy. [i]If you or anyone else publicly attacks the teachings of the Church on here, I will do my Christian duty to counter them with Catholic truth.[/i] Contemporary crusader. Here's an idea: you work out your salvation and I'll work out mine. If the merciful, all loving and benevolent God wants to condemn me for acting in accordance with my conscience and the way he made me, biologically, then so be it. Personally, I don't think he finds my love life all that interesting. Edited June 25, 2009 by OraProMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) ps. The above is what Australians and Britains would call "taking the piss". Edited June 25, 2009 by OraProMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkers Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Have you considered joining the church of atheism, obaprome? We're kinda "catholic" too in that we're spread to all corners of the globe. Our "pope" is our conscience and god is the collective unconscious of our imagination. Plus we get to sleep in on Sundays, who could argue with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marie-Therese Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Bonkers, I would tell you to get lost, but that would be uncharitable. Instead, I will ask with kindness not to take advantage of a person's questions as a recruiting tool. I will be presumptuous in stating that Ora is not an atheist and has no interest in being. Venite... As the wise philosopher Eeyore stated, "Thanks for noticing me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 (edited) [quote name='bonkers' post='1901210' date='Jun 25 2009, 10:18 AM']Have you considered joining the church of atheism, obaprome? We're kinda "catholic" too in that we're spread to all corners of the globe. Our "pope" is our conscience and god is the collective unconscious of our imagination. Plus we get to sleep in on Sundays, who could argue with that?[/quote] I can tell from the tone of your post that you think what you're saying is funny, but...no. Edited June 26, 2009 by OraProMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1901045' date='Jun 24 2009, 11:32 PM']I would call a relationship between two persons of the same sex in which the two merely "made out" with each other a homosexual relationship... [/quote] Sorry, I should have said...hmm, I don't know. Something along the lines of sexual actions? Not simply intercourse (or whatever one would call the homosexual equivalent). I guess anything beyond normal, amicable conduct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 [quote name='Socrates' post='1901044' date='Jun 24 2009, 11:31 PM']Um . . . I'm Socrates.[/quote] Isn't Winnie short for Socrates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkers Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' post='1901741' date='Jun 26 2009, 12:23 AM']I can tell from the tone of your post that you think what you're saying is funny, but...no.[/quote] Not really, witter and clever perhaps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 What do you believe in? The big bang? Evolution? What? Every atheist I've asked has had an answer and then my next question is "what caused that?" Then when they have an answer I ask "what caused that?" again. And it goes back and back and back until it's evident that there is something infinite, creative and eternal. Whatever that "thing" is, is God. And to answer your question, no. I've never considered becoming an atheist. I'm just going to do what feels natural and what I think God wants me to do. I'm not receiving communion anymore, but that's more out of respect for the hierarchy rather than any feeling of sinfulness or guilt. I'm just going to pray, pray, study, pray, adore, study, pray, love, pray, read, live, pray and pray. If after that the all loving God wants to condemn me for acting in accordance with how he created me then so be it. I've said it before but I really don't thing He's that interested in my love life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Ha! That's [i]exactly[/i] how I explained to my physiotherapist that one can indeed study physics and be a Catholic. Then she did things to my knee which I'm sure shouldn't be possible, and if that, shouldn't be allowed. I do think that God is interested in [i]everything[/i] about you, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 Ahhhh you study physics? Eeep, that stuff makes my head spin. Oh yeah, me too. I didn't mean it like that. I just meant that I think hatred of homosexuality is something human that we're attributing to God not vice versa. But I don't want to start another debate here with anyone >___> haha But yeah, I'll just do my best and leave it up to God. Lots of adoration, rosary, Mass and study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I do, but don't worry, my thesis is on soap bubbles. Doesn't get much non-scarier than that. (Except for me personally because I'm allergic to soap.) I think that the "angry God" as portrayed in the Old Testament wasn't angry in the human sense, but that He had good reasons to inspire the Bible that way. I don't think God hates anyone. I do think He made a how-to for living our lives which is not a wiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 Ahahahaha I have solved many a problem with those wiki sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bus Station Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 [quote name='Marie-Therese' post='1900878' date='Jun 24 2009, 06:49 PM']Ora, I think this question points to the central axis of your struggle. The answer is simple and complex as well, because it is a fundamental principle shaded in degrees. God is Love. He does not (as I presume through my understanding and Church guidance) want anything BUT love between His creatures, because we must love others as He has commanded us. However, the distinction is in the type of love. Fr. Brian's suggestion of reading Deus Caritas Est is a very good one, because it distinguishes between the varying degrees of love. As a person you are called to love everyone; you should love those men in your life as brothers and children of God (agape love). For whatever reason your natural tendencies to find an object of romantic or sexual feelings (eros love) has tended toward men. God made romantic relationships between men and women to intertwine both of those types of love in a union that would lead to the perpetuation of creation. It is a very SPECIFIC relationship with a goal. Romantic love is a gift of God that is given as a grace. Most of us tend to believe that love is something we "fall into." It is nothing like that, nor is every person intended for the romantic marital union. That is a hard truth to swallow when you desire the love and companionship of another person. The human ability to love is a fundamental aspect of who we are, the children of the Most High who were created specifically for that purpose. We seek out love because we are built that way. Human love, however, truly cannot find its completion in human relationships. Your natural orientation is contradictory to the specific path God created for this relationship to follow. Why is that? We cannot know. I can think how frustrating that must be to you. As hard as it is to be told that what you want is contrary to Truth, in order to be faithful to your God, you must submit to that. In saying that, there is now open a wide path which I can imagine you are already looking down. However, you cannot make progress until you let go of the anger you hold over having dreams that cannot be fulfilled in the way you imagined they would. [b]You CAN experience all-encompassing love. You CAN find companionship. However, you must place yourself squarely in the hands of God and let Him lead you to it. Unless you really, fully let your reservations go and trust Him, you will always harbor these feelings of resentment that He won't let you have what other people have. You have to be OK with knowing that He wants something else for you.[/b] That's the best I can do...I pray for you and for your peace of heart. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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