OraProMe Posted June 23, 2009 Author Share Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) [quote name='VeniteAdoremus' post='1899432' date='Jun 23 2009, 08:16 AM']It would be. Isn't it winter where you are? That's SO economical! (Get a Jesuit. )[/quote] ahhaha yes, I love winter. It was rainy and overcast all day today. The best. Do jesuits even believe in blessings anymore? Couldn't help myself.....the jesuit run parish here is GROSS. Edited June 23, 2009 by OraProMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' post='1899436' date='Jun 23 2009, 03:21 PM']ahhaha yes, I love winter. It was rainy and overcast all day today. The best. Do jesuits even believe in blessings anymore? Couldn't help myself.....the jesuit run parish here is GROSS.[/quote] There are good ones and bad ones, and all of them believe in economy The "good" and "bad" can be very localised, by the way. In my country the ones "up north" are terrible, but those in Amsterdam are at the least very decent. (Disclaimer: there's a bit of a friendly rivalry between Dominicans and Jesuits. Mostly because Dominicans know Jesuits for what they are ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted June 23, 2009 Author Share Posted June 23, 2009 When I was younger I wanted to be a dominican priest! An intellectual based faith + those snazzy habits! What more could a man want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) [quote name='OraProMe' post='1899445' date='Jun 23 2009, 08:28 AM']When I was younger I wanted to be a dominican priest! An intellectual based faith + those snazzy habits! What more could a man want? [/quote] You would do well to be more intellectual and less emotional in regards to your beliefs now... Edited June 23, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted June 23, 2009 Author Share Posted June 23, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1899447' date='Jun 23 2009, 08:33 AM']You would do well to be more intellectual and less emotional in regards to your beliefs now... [/quote] Oh, I have. That's why I've come to this conclusion . I'm not particularly emotional. If I was I would never have put a stop to stuff with James and decided to give the Church's 100% magisterium a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' post='1899452' date='Jun 23 2009, 08:36 AM']Oh, I have. That's why I've come to this conclusion . I'm not particularly emotional. If I was I would never have put a stop to stuff with James and decided to give the Church's 100% magisterium a go.[/quote] Your conclusion is basically, "I don't feel that I'm hurting anyone, so it can't be wrong." It sounds based on feelings to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1899447' date='Jun 23 2009, 03:33 PM']You would do well to be more intellectual and less emotional in regards to your beliefs now... [/quote] I DARE you to go over to Vocation Station and tell the VSers that habit looks aren't important. Oh wait, you were referring to the actual thread topic. Sorry [quote name='OraProMe' post='1899445' date='Jun 23 2009, 03:28 PM']When I was younger I wanted to be a dominican priest! An intellectual based faith + those snazzy habits! What more could a man want? [/quote] Actually, there was this lady in Italy somewhere who thought that there was no way Dominicans could stay celibate, because they were all so good-looking and had the most beautiful habits she'd ever seen. Then Our Lady appeared to her and told her she took personal care to protect her boys' chastity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted June 23, 2009 Author Share Posted June 23, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1899456' date='Jun 23 2009, 08:38 AM']Your conclusion is basically, "I don't feel that I'm hurting anyone, so it can't be wrong." It sounds based on feelings to me...[/quote] My conclusion is a lot more than that, if you want to discuss it start a topic in the debate section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' post='1899445' date='Jun 23 2009, 06:28 AM']When I was younger I wanted to be a dominican priest! An intellectual based faith + those snazzy habits! What more could a man want? [/quote] +J.M.J.+ that's because dominicans are awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marie-Therese Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1899447' date='Jun 23 2009, 08:33 AM']You would do well to be more intellectual and less emotional in regards to your beliefs now... [/quote] Oh dear. Rex, let me preface by saying that I think everyone on this board acknowledges your amazing precocious intellect. However, as a 33 year old mom, this ruffles me a bit. It is one thing to perform the spiritual works of mercy by admonishing sinners and instructing the ignorant. It's another to come across as a peevish know-it-all. The intellectual in me appreciates your amazing depth of ecclesial knowledge. The mother in me wants to smack your hand and tell you to mind your manners. Ora is, I think, pretty well aware of the intellectual v. emotional aspects of his struggles, as exhibited in his previous posts. His questions are important to him, and he is legitimately and, in a vulnerable fashion, attempting to seek assistance with answering them. To see a pubescent prodigy telling him what he would "do well" to do is a little insulting, to me. I appreciate your vigor in defending the Magisterium. In the future, as you continue, please think of Christ's love and answer with a softer, more charitable tone. We as Catholics do not wish to see anyone commit sins that separate them from the Father, but you can be just as adamant in your exhortation without coming across like a, well, jerk. For lack of a more eloquent word. Pardon my chastisement, but please think before you post. *gets down off Mommy soapbox* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 +J.M.J.+ [quote name='Marie-Therese' post='1899607' date='Jun 23 2009, 10:10 AM']Oh dear. Rex, let me preface by saying that I think everyone on this board acknowledges your amazing precocious intellect. However, as a 33 year old mom, this ruffles me a bit. It is one thing to perform the spiritual works of mercy by admonishing sinners and instructing the ignorant. It's another to come across as a peevish know-it-all. The intellectual in me appreciates your amazing depth of ecclesial knowledge. The mother in me wants to smack your hand and tell you to mind your manners. Ora is, I think, pretty well aware of the intellectual v. emotional aspects of his struggles, as exhibited in his previous posts. His questions are important to him, and he is legitimately and, in a vulnerable fashion, attempting to seek assistance with answering them. To see a pubescent prodigy telling him what he would "do well" to do is a little insulting, to me. I appreciate your vigor in defending the Magisterium. In the future, as you continue, please think of Christ's love and answer with a softer, more charitable tone. We as Catholics do not wish to see anyone commit sins that separate them from the Father, but you can be just as adamant in your exhortation without coming across like a, well, jerk. For lack of a more eloquent word. Pardon my chastisement, but please think before you post. *gets down off Mommy soapbox*[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 [quote name='Marie-Therese' post='1899607' date='Jun 23 2009, 11:10 AM']Oh dear. Rex, let me preface by saying that I think everyone on this board acknowledges your amazing precocious intellect. However, as a 33 year old mom, this ruffles me a bit. It is one thing to perform the spiritual works of mercy by admonishing sinners and instructing the ignorant. It's another to come across as a peevish know-it-all. The intellectual in me appreciates your amazing depth of ecclesial knowledge. The mother in me wants to smack your hand and tell you to mind your manners. Ora is, I think, pretty well aware of the intellectual v. emotional aspects of his struggles, as exhibited in his previous posts. His questions are important to him, and he is legitimately and, in a vulnerable fashion, attempting to seek assistance with answering them. To see a pubescent prodigy telling him what he would "do well" to do is a little insulting, to me. I appreciate your vigor in defending the Magisterium. In the future, as you continue, please think of Christ's love and answer with a softer, more charitable tone. We as Catholics do not wish to see anyone commit sins that separate them from the Father, but you can be just as adamant in your exhortation without coming across like a, well, jerk. For lack of a more eloquent word. Pardon my chastisement, but please think before you post. *gets down off Mommy soapbox*[/quote] I completely agree. To add just a quick thought for Res, one thing that was (and is) attractive about the Catholic faith is its appeal to both emotion and intellect. We are called to love God as whole persons -- mind, body, and soul. Sometimes it takes a while for those things to get in sync, and that is perfectly OK. It is part of the growing process. Honestly, coming to a point of maturity in faith requires going through something like puberty. Everything's out of whack and you aren't in harmony as a person. Eventually you grow out of it, but there are points throughout your life where similar things happen, both physically and spiritually. A spiritual smackdown generally doesn't do anyone any good, and I think actually it's a copout. Instead of doing the tough work of building a relationship with someone and walking through tough times with them, the one giving the smackdown creates distance and doesn't have to get down and dirty. As Catholics, we're all in this together, and sometimes that means getting dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 [quote name='Marie-Therese' post='1899607' date='Jun 23 2009, 12:10 PM']Oh dear. Rex, let me preface by saying that I think everyone on this board acknowledges your amazing precocious intellect. However, as a 33 year old mom, this ruffles me a bit. It is one thing to perform the spiritual works of mercy by admonishing sinners and instructing the ignorant. It's another to come across as a peevish know-it-all. The intellectual in me appreciates your amazing depth of ecclesial knowledge. The mother in me wants to smack your hand and tell you to mind your manners. Ora is, I think, pretty well aware of the intellectual v. emotional aspects of his struggles, as exhibited in his previous posts. His questions are important to him, and he is legitimately and, in a vulnerable fashion, attempting to seek assistance with answering them. To see a pubescent prodigy telling him what he would "do well" to do is a little insulting, to me. I appreciate your vigor in defending the Magisterium. In the future, as you continue, please think of Christ's love and answer with a softer, more charitable tone. We as Catholics do not wish to see anyone commit sins that separate them from the Father, but you can be just as adamant in your exhortation without coming across like a, well, jerk. For lack of a more eloquent word. Pardon my chastisement, but please think before you post. *gets down off Mommy soapbox*[/quote] I'll try not to be a jerk in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theologian in Training Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' post='1899452' date='Jun 23 2009, 09:36 AM']Oh, I have. That's why I've come to this conclusion . I'm not particularly emotional. If I was I would never have put a stop to stuff with James and decided to give the Church's 100% magisterium a go.[/quote] But, with this "point of view" it almost seems as though you are blaming the Magisterium for "making" homosexuality a sin. Yet, as you should know, given your knowledge of the faith, the Magisterium does not sit around making this stuff up, but, rather, upholds and clarifies revelation that already exists. In this case, they are merely upholding what can already be found in Natural Law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Marie-Therese, THankyou. Well said Resurexxi, If you want to discuss this in the debate section feel free to make a thread and I'll discuss it with you. It's got to do with cultural context, adaption, biology et cetera. I'm pretty sure you know that this wasn't a decision based on emotion, so I don't know why you said that. [quote name='Theologian in Training' post='1899714' date='Jun 23 2009, 02:23 PM']But, with this "point of view" it almost seems as though you are blaming the Magisterium for "making" homosexuality a sin. Yet, as you should know, given your knowledge of the faith, the Magisterium does not sit around making this stuff up, but, rather, upholds and clarifies revelation that already exists. In this case, they are merely upholding what can already be found in Natural Law.[/quote] I wouldn't say I'm blaming the magisterium for anything, Father. I love the Church and Her teachings. The troubling thing is, despite my efforts, I cannot understand how homosexuality is a sin. If I honestly thought it was a sin I'd gladly submit, but I cannot. I tried living the Churches teaching while struggling with it internally and found I could not. I just felt like such a hypocrite and as if I was reducing my faith to blind obedience. Ofcourse, I'm still praying and attending Mass. But sadly, for me, the Church being wrong on this is forcing me to re-evaluate a lot of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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