mcts Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 [quote name='pat22' post='1896739' date='Jun 20 2009, 02:30 PM']everyone hits their hard times were they doubt god, purpose for living, theirs reasons for abstaining from sinful wordly pleasures. times when they feel alone, and silly for blindly following the rules of someone they don't even know, or even for believing and focusing on someone who is supposedly all around you, but all you see is the wall. but these are the times that god rewards, not the times when its easy to be good and faithful, but when its hard. persevere, don't give up, the whole phamily is rooting for you.[/quote] wow. i cannot believe that that came from pat! praying for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat22 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 [quote name='mcts' post='1896780' date='Jun 20 2009, 04:53 PM']wow. i cannot believe that that came from pat! praying for you![/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosey Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Lol relax Pat. I think it was a compliment Hey OraProMe! Check your inbox! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AgapeAdvocate Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I love you brother. Christ loves you. He understands your pain. I'm praying for you through the Sacraments everyday. I want to tell you DON'T LOSE HOPE! You don't have to give into the desires of the flesh. Theology can overcome Biology. Here's an article from a Catholic source called Zenit. I hope this helps. God bless you! [url="http://www.zenit.org/article-26183?l=english"]http://www.zenit.org/article-26183?l=english[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat22 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 [quote name='Moosey' post='1896796' date='Jun 20 2009, 05:21 PM']Lol relax Pat. I think it was a compliment Hey OraProMe! Check your inbox![/quote] believe it or not I've been called a deep thinker before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 First of all, disagreements or no, with people here, I hope you stick around. Second, having forsaken faith before for worldly things and desires, I can understand to an extent what you're going through. That said, I did eventually come back (and eventually crossed the Tiber to boot) and I hope you will as well. Through our shared Lord, all things are possible, even those that seem to be impossible. Perhaps especially those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 [quote name='AgapeAdvocate' post='1896800' date='Jun 20 2009, 05:29 PM']I love you brother. Christ loves you. He understands your pain. I'm praying for you through the Sacraments everyday. I want to tell you DON'T LOSE HOPE! You don't have to give into the desires of the flesh. Theology can overcome Biology. Here's an article from a Catholic source called Zenit. I hope this helps. God bless you! [url="http://www.zenit.org/article-26183?l=english"]http://www.zenit.org/article-26183?l=english[/url][/quote] Great article. Thanks! Welcome to PM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bus Station Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 "The world and its lusts are passing away; but the man who does the will of God lives forever." 1 John 2:17 Prayers for you, my brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted June 21, 2009 Author Share Posted June 21, 2009 Pat22, Ummm wow :| Thanks! [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1896735' date='Jun 20 2009, 02:11 PM']In order to be a Christian, one must love to the extreme... not in the world's version of "love" but in the true version of LOVE: that of Christ's. We must strive to love in that same love that made Him take the heavy blows of His scourging; that same love that made Him drag the heavy cross through the streets of Jerusalem; that same love that kept him nailed to the cross until He died. [b]Love demands Sacrifice.[/b] It isn't easy, but it's worth it! What I am hearing from you, is that you have decided to give up carrying your cross. You have decided to "love" in a very selfish way. You think this is a life of "happiness?" Satan is deceiving you!!! Where is the sacrifice? The Lord does not want this. He does not wish this for you. Your deep-seated homosexual tendencies are not as powerful as God. And I know it isn't easy, but overcoming those tendencies IS POSSIBLE. I can guarentee ALL OF US are suffering from some sort of weakness that can make or break us.... homosexual tendencies aren't the only difficult things to overcome... for me, it is a constant struggle with living celibately in a world that flashes the flesh in my face where ever I go... that constant battle between the flesh and the Spirit... c'mon my friend! DON'T GIVE UP!!! The flesh will only lead you down a very darkened path.... you have a calling to exceed the limitations of your flesh and have a relationship with GOD in the highest realms of the Spirit! Don't give up now! I'm praying for you, and offering up sacrifices and prayers and Mass for you... JUST DON'T GIVE UP!!!! GOD ISN'T! He's with you every step of your struggle![/quote] Thankyou, but I'm slightly (very slightly) offended at you calling it "selfish love". It's not sins of the flesh I'm doing this for, or lust, gluttony, promiscuity or anything else like that. It's a loving relationship, and it always will be regardless of which guy it's with. I just feel like the biggest hypocrite repressing my sexuality and giving lip service to the Church when inside I cannot believe it. Everyone else, Thanks too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' post='1896922' date='Jun 20 2009, 08:37 PM']Thankyou, but I'm slightly (very slightly) offended at you calling it "selfish love". It's not sins of the flesh I'm doing this for, or lust, gluttony, promiscuity or anything else like that. It's a loving relationship, and it always will be regardless of which guy it's with. I just feel like the biggest hypocrite repressing my sexuality and giving lip service to the Church when inside I cannot believe it.[/quote] I am truly sorry that you are taking this step. There are other ways of showing "love" - you can do it in a "brotherly", non-sexual way. I know you've heard before what the Bible and Church say (I have refrained from posting lest anything I say may backfire and short-circuit your attempts to live a chaste life) and you are having problems reconciling what you know with your head is right and what your heart / emotions are telling you, so I will just offer this except from the English translation of the hymn [i]Tantum Ergo Sacramentum[/i]: [i]What the senses fail to fathom Let the grasp of faith assent![/i] Another thing you may want to check into: Where are you in birth order among your siblings? Did your mother have a pregnancy that resulted in miscarriage? The reason I ask is that I heard a speaker at the National Catholic Singles Conference talk about how every pregnancy leaves cells behind in the womb and those cells become part of future pregnancies, and those resulting cells then are within us and inspire a "sibling bond" which, if the sibling was miscarried or aborted, can cause us to search for a long-lost sibling, and that search can be mistaken for same-sex attraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Whatever you choose, I would ask that you stick around phatmass. While we are hard-core Catholics, we do love our phamily and you are most welcome here. Keep posing questions because we all learn more about the faith that way. Your heart and mind say it is right. Yet you disagree with Church teachings. Please remember, Truth is not subjective. I must ask you this: do you know why the Church is against these things? Such as same sex relationships and family? You say you want to raise kids with a cute boy, yet have you seriously looked at what you would be doing to children by doing so? Or do you not agree with that as well? I truly ask only to try to grasp your understanding on Church teachings. If need be, we can discuss that in another thread if you'd like. I will keep you in my prayers. Just remember, lots of adoration and confession. If not, you will continue to feel lost. I know I do. I can only encourage you to seek out a good and holy priest or [url="http://couragerc.net/"]Courage. [/url] Remember, you are part of the phamily, whether you choose to go or stay, you are in our prayers. (I hope you decide to stay) Pax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 I'll OraProTe I have had major difficulties accepting Church teaching as well - it definitely took some time to internalise it after I started living it. But they weren't [i]this[/i] fundamental. I feel for your struggle. And I will echo what others said - please stay, I liked reading your posts very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 [quote name='Brother Adam' post='1896548' date='Jun 20 2009, 10:57 AM'][b]God's will should not make you happy, it should make you holy.[/b] The Church speaks the truth that God is and that he has revealed to us. True freedom can only be found by following his will.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 (edited) Hmmm, I don't know. I found a cute boy. I'm married. I moved to London. The kids part hasn't worked out yet, but still. It all hasn't solved my life's problems. Seriously, my prayers are with you. I will offer up my sufferings for you today. And pray for me. Edited June 21, 2009 by Ash Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted June 21, 2009 Author Share Posted June 21, 2009 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1897451' date='Jun 21 2009, 08:16 AM']Hmmm, I don't know. I found a cute boy. I'm married. I moved to London. The kids part hasn't worked out yet, but still. It all hasn't solved my life's problems. Seriously, my prayers are with you. I will offer up my sufferings for you today. And pray for me.[/quote] Who said anything about solving all lifes problems? I'm not doing this just because I think it's easier, as some people seem to be saying. I honestly cannt keep going on with this internal struggle between who I am and my faith. Especially when I'm not ashamed, I don't consider myself disordered and for the life of me can't, despite my sincere efforts, give my assent to the Church on this. I'm sorry I'm not like Lilred and some other people here, but it just makes me feel like the biggest hypocrite. If I'm wrong, I pray that God will be merciful when I'm judged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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