add Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um9KsrH377A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcatholic-dads.blogspot.com%2F&feature=player_embedded"]Visit My Website[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Interesting, but it doesn't work like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 That is, without a doubt, the dumbest thing I have ever seen in my life. I. King Jordan, former President of Gallaudet University, said: "Deaf people can do anything but hear." And he's right, but hearing being such an important part of music - especially as regards violins and intonation & tone on them, few Deaf people would be able to play violin, piano or other kinds of keyboard instruments, perhaps, but probably not violin. Besides, Pantene is using Deafness as another obstacle for their heroine to overcome in their four-minute movie - excuse me, commercial - in which the nicer, prettier girl with the longer shinier hair wins because she is a better person because she uses Pantene. PUH-LEASE! Pantene is leaching off Deaf people to sell soap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 To be fair to the commercial, I don't think they are using deafness as an obstacle the girl must overcome to be a good violinist, but that she must overcome others perceptions that a deaf person couldn't play the violin. Liked it as a short skit. Seemed liked a stupid commercial though. Must be more of a Thai thing? I wonder if there are any deaf violinists though? Considering how a violin is played, it would seem possible, though difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='CatholicCid' post='1891067' date='Jun 15 2009, 12:28 AM']To be fair to the commercial, I don't think they are using deafness as an obstacle the girl must overcome to be a good violinist, but that she must overcome others perceptions that a deaf person couldn't play the violin. Liked it as a short skit. Seemed liked a stupid commercial though. Must be more of a Thai thing? I wonder if there are any deaf violinists though? Considering how a violin is played, it would seem possible, though difficult.[/quote] I would say the deafness would have to occur after the violin has been learned. Otherwise, the concepts would be most arduous to be taught. It takes hearing to get a good sound drawing the bow across the strings. Fingering is an aural/kinesthetic process. Take the aural away and you have to make it an visual/kinesthetic thing... There is a deaf musician in our age though. I forget her name, but she's a percussionist. Still does her job (solo works) cause she's used hearing aids in the beginning of her life (up to about 20) then she took them out and started to learn to hear with other means, like feeling the vibrations through the mallets, using visual, etc. It's fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puellapaschalis Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1891091' date='Jun 15 2009, 07:13 AM']There is a deaf musician in our age though. I forget her name, but she's a percussionist. Still does her job (solo works) cause she's used hearing aids in the beginning of her life (up to about 20) then she took them out and started to learn to hear with other means, like feeling the vibrations through the mallets, using visual, etc. It's fascinating.[/quote] Evelyn Glennie, I think. The actress in the video clearly [i]can't[/i] play violin and if a violin has been smashed onto the ground like that then fixing it together with sellotape will never produce anything like the original sound quality. One of the fiddles she picked up looked like a Skylark, the standard model for beginners and which hardly ever sound better than a refined cat being tortured. And all that posturing on stage? That isn't going to impress any judges in a music competition worth their salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 You have to buy Pantene before the mystery of the commercial is unlocked to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregorius Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='Paddington' post='1891243' date='Jun 15 2009, 09:05 AM']You have to buy Pantene before the mystery of the commercial is unlocked to you. [/quote] lol But seriously, there's no way that could happen. I'm a brass player, but I know once your instrument gets banged up, it will never sound right again. Also, I did not like the way she stopped that piece. And did anyone notice that those thugs came to break her violin after that piano girl saw her, and while they were breaking it, she just seemed to know what was going on? Suspicious to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puellapaschalis Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Besides which, Pantene contains nasty gunk which is really bad for your hair. I say this as a violinist who used to have hair down to her knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inunionwithrome Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Many brilliant musicians have had many forms of learning disabilities. The most common being dyslexia. Would you say to that person no, you can't play because you don't see the notes correctly? Or is Pantene simply showing that others with disbilities can do the same things as many "normal" musicians? They are showing that we can rise to the occasion. At our church, we have an altar server who is both deaf and blind. Yes, the other altar servers guide him but when he is given the job of helping with the incensor, he knows when to bring it and when to put it back on the sacramental that holds it. He did not lose hearing until 3 though and was taught a little English. I think and not just because I have disbilities either that he is among one of the better altar servers because he is not there to be seen, he is there to serve the lord. I found it very heartwarming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='Paddington' post='1891243' date='Jun 15 2009, 09:05 AM']You have to buy Pantene before the mystery of the commercial is unlocked to you. [/quote] That and your hair won't get caught up in instruments. At first, I thought it was going to be a joke commercial and she'd pull her hair into the violin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puellapaschalis Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='inunionwithrome' post='1891318' date='Jun 15 2009, 05:19 PM']Many brilliant musicians have had many forms of learning disabilities. The most common being dyslexia. Would you say to that person no, you can't play because you don't see the notes correctly? Or is Pantene simply showing that others with disbilities can do the same things as many "normal" musicians? They are showing that we can rise to the occasion. At our church, we have an altar server who is both deaf and blind. Yes, the other altar servers guide him but when he is given the job of helping with the incensor, he knows when to bring it and when to put it back on the sacramental that holds it. He did not lose hearing until 3 though and was taught a little English. I think and not just because I have disbilities either that he is among one of the better altar servers because he is not there to be seen, he is there to serve the lord. I found it very heartwarming.[/quote] The Suzuki method teaches musical proficiency - to quite an impressive level - without going anywhere near a written score. Whether someone can read black dots on a piece of paper is a much different issue than whether he can hear. This would be all the more so with a fretless stringed instrument like the violin. I'm normally an optimistic person, but I don't think Pantene would make such an advert out of philanthropic motives. They want to sell stuff and gunk up your hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 In the long run, all over-the-counter shampoos and conditioners can have detrimental affects on your hair (such as the alcohol content, which can really dry out your hair). Pantene is no better or worse than any of them. [url="http://thebeautybrains.com/2009/01/18/pantene-is-bad-for-hair-myth-busted/"]http://thebeautybrains.com/2009/01/18/pant...ir-myth-busted/[/url] If you want to invest in a good hair care product that is sold in stores, pick Biolage or Paul Mitchell. They use Sebastian at my stylist's place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1891399' date='Jun 15 2009, 12:57 PM']In the long run, all over-the-counter shampoos and conditioners can have detrimental affects on your hair (such as the alcohol content, which can really dry out your hair). Pantene is no better or worse than any of them. [url="http://thebeautybrains.com/2009/01/18/pantene-is-bad-for-hair-myth-busted/"]http://thebeautybrains.com/2009/01/18/pant...ir-myth-busted/[/url] If you want to invest in a good hair care product that is sold in stores, pick Biolage or Paul Mitchell. They use Sebastian at my stylist's place.[/quote] But will they help me to play the violin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1891400' date='Jun 15 2009, 01:00 PM']But will they help me to play the violin?[/quote] Honestly, I did NOT see the commercial saying "Use our product and you can accomplish anything." I saw this. A girl overcoming tremendous obstacles and, in the end, "shining" on stage. As for the product, the commercial is basically saying that it will make your hair so beautiful, as beautiful as how that girl looked on stage (radiant and intense) fulfilling her dreams. The commercial is stating that their product is the embodiment of true or real beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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