Resurrexi Posted June 14, 2009 Author Share Posted June 14, 2009 Do you mean the St. Gregory who spoke of "the Apostolic See, which is the head of all Churches"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1890134' date='Jun 13 2009, 11:14 PM']Do you mean the St. Gregory who spoke of "the Apostolic See, which is the head of all Churches"?[/quote] Yes, the very same man, for he spoke of Rome, Antioch, and Alexandria as one see in three places, being governed by three bishops, who together prossess primacy through historic succession. Although as I said in my earlier post all bishops are successors of St. Peter through the sacrament of episcopal consecration, which means that all the bishops are equal in authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 14, 2009 Author Share Posted June 14, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1890171' date='Jun 14 2009, 01:49 AM']Yes, the very same man, for he spoke of Rome, Antioch, and Alexandria as one see in three places, being governed by three bishops, who together prossess primacy through historic succession. Although as I said in my earlier post all bishops are successors of St. Peter through the sacrament of episcopal consecration, which means that all the bishops are equal in authority.[/quote] The term "the Apostolic See" refers to Rome alone, as can be clearly seen in Epistle 3.30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1890173' date='Jun 13 2009, 11:57 PM']The term "the Apostolic See" refers to Rome alone, as can be clearly seen in Epistle 3.30.[/quote] You really do not know much about history! In the East there are dozens (even hundreds) of Apostolic Sees, e.g., Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Ephesus, just to name a few off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 14, 2009 Author Share Posted June 14, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1890176' date='Jun 14 2009, 02:04 AM']You really do not know much about history! In the East there are dozens (even hundreds) of Apostolic Sees, e.g., Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Ephesus, just to name a few off the top of my head.[/quote] I am aware that there were numerous sees founded by Apostles, but only Rome is referred to as "the Apostolic See." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1890189' date='Jun 14 2009, 12:26 AM']I am aware that there were numerous sees founded by Apostles, but only Rome is referred to as "the Apostolic See."[/quote] Your conclusion does not follow. I call the See of Antioch "the Apostolic See" of Antioch. Antioch, Alexandria, Rome, Jerusalem, Ephesus, et al., are all historically apostolic. In fact, every see is sacramentally apostolic and petrine, because the bishops throughout the whole Church are successors of all the Apostles, which necessarily includes St. Peter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 The decrees of the Holy Roman Church are published in a gazette called the [i]Acta Apostolicae Sedis[/i]. Another name would be used (e.g. Acta Romanae Sedis) if it were thought that the term [i]Apostolica Sedes[/i] did not refer uniquely to Rome. (I am glad that you at least do not try to claim that Constantinople is a see founded by one of the Apostles, by the way!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1890770' date='Jun 14 2009, 07:47 PM']The decrees of the Holy Roman Church are published in a gazette called the [i]Acta Apostolicae Sedis[/i]. Another name would be used (e.g. Acta Romanae Sedis) if it were thought that the term [i]Apostolica Sedes[/i] did not refer uniquely to Rome. (I am glad that you at least do not try to claim that Constantinople is a see founded by one of the Apostles, by the way!)[/quote] Rome is but one "apostolic see," but there are dozens, and possibly hundreds of apostolic sees in the Eastern Churches. What Roman Curial authorities decide to call the publications of its patriarchate in the 20th century and in the 21st century is historically irrelevant to the question at hand. Edited June 15, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 In any case, St. Gregory the Great clearly was not referring to any other see than the Roman See in Epistle 3.30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1890787' date='Jun 14 2009, 07:59 PM']In any case, St. Gregory the Great clearly was not referring to any other see than the Roman See in Epistle 3.30.[/quote] He does not have to mention the other two historic petrine sees in every letter, because the fact that he did it in one letter proves your position false. One time by a pope of equating the three historic petrine sees is sufficient evidence to confirm the equality of those sees, and in the final anaylsis of all episcopal sees, for the episcopate is one sacrament, and not many. Edited June 15, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 St. Gregory never said that Antioch and Alexandria were equal to Rome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1890846' date='Jun 14 2009, 08:35 PM']St. Gregory never said that Antioch and Alexandria were equal to Rome.[/quote] Yes, he did, because together with Rome they possess the "principality" (what we would call "primacy" today), for as he said, they are one see in three places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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