RedSnapper Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 I don't know if it was a technical error (probably not, since Gibson is so attentive to detail) but I noticed the eyes of Gesmus get pecked out by the crow and afterwards, when the roman soldiers are breaking his legs, he still has his eyes. I would really take a second look, if you can at those two tables. They really are very different. Another interesting thing I noticed is when Jesus and Barabbus were standing near each other, Jesus looked at Barabbus, Barabbus became subdued in his glee. The right eye of Jesus was completely swollen shut and Barabbus' right eye was completely scarred... which gave him the appearance of blindness. The spiritual blindness of Barabbus is what it made me think of. A little something more to meditate on. AMDG RS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSnapper Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 When Mary is presenting Jesus to us in the second to the last scene of the movie, at the foot of the cross, you will notice her hand on His chest, right in the area of His heart. Her hand is open and beckoning. Its like she is saying come to His Sacred Heart full of Mercy. This especially struck me since my parish will be praying the Divine Mercy Novena starting on this Good Friday and ending on the Feast day of the Divine Mercy, the first Sunday after Easter Sunday. Its a beautiful scene. AMDG RS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted April 10, 2004 Author Share Posted April 10, 2004 What's up with the Tiger in Harod's palace? Did anyone notice that. I felt like it was Satan being present, controlling all the events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciana Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 Re the table question: I just saw it again today and checked. The table the Roman soldier uses at the scourging is different than the one Jesus made. Jesus' is all wood and the Roman officers' is metal and wood. Also, the scourging tools are on a stone block table. The comparison would have been cool. One really cool thing I think I noticed is a cross in the sky. It could have been my imagination , but when it goes to one of Jesus' flashbacks of the Last Supper, a cross of light seems to be in the sky. It was right before it goes to the scene with them bringing the bread to the table at the Last Supper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isidore Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 (edited) Greetings, On the table scene.... I think the meaning of this scene is much more subtle. In the scene Jesus tells Mary that a rich benefactor ordered it. Mary tries it out, and says that it will never catch on. It was not Jesus' idea, it was just his job to build the table to the specifications of the one who ordered it. What was Jesus' mission? He was charged by God (rich benefactor) to bring forth the good news. It was different, and no one thought it would catch on. He built a church, that was different, and we sit at his table every week. When we go home, we sit at the kind of table Gibson envisioned Jesus building as well. So, they both caught on. Gibson is a grand storyteller. Edited April 12, 2004 by Isidore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isidore Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 [quote name='RedSnapper' date='Apr 4 2004, 05:12 PM'] I don't know if it was a technical error (probably not, since Gibson is so attentive to detail) but I noticed the eyes of Gesmus get pecked out by the crow and afterwards, when the roman soldiers are breaking his legs, he still has his eyes. I would really take a second look, if you can at those two tables. They really are very different. Another interesting thing I noticed is when Jesus and Barabbus were standing near each other, Jesus looked at Barabbus, Barabbus became subdued in his glee. The right eye of Jesus was completely swollen shut and Barabbus' right eye was completely scarred... which gave him the appearance of blindness. The spiritual blindness of Barabbus is what it made me think of. A little something more to meditate on. AMDG RS [/quote] Greetings, You know you bring up a great point in general. Did you know that historians and theolgians believe that Barrabus' name was actually Yeshua Bar Abbas, or Jesus Son of the Father? Yeshua or Jesus was a very common name at the time, and the correlary between the two is striking. Perfect good against incarnate evil. The son of the True father forgives the sins of the son of the earthly father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSnapper Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 I'd heard about their names having the same meaning some time ago but had forgotten. Thanks for the information. What was that look on Barrabus' face when he looked in the eyes of Jesus? Was it perhaps, a complete lack of understanding, like being baffled? I am not sure. It was a quick scene. They certainly seemed to be at direct opposite ends of a spectrum! Thanks again. AMDG RS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestarlover85 Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 i niticed Barrabus' face to, when he looked at Jesus. My first thought was that B. knew that Jesus was innocent, but since he (Barrabus) was now free, it didnt matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSnapper Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 I agree. It seems he looked at Jesus with a look that portrayed that he understood our Lord's innocence. It was kind of funny how he descended the stairs with his arms outstretched to embrace his people and they pushed him away and didn't want him in their midst. I wonder if Mel was trying to relate the Jewish sense of good and bad in this part of the scene or some other reason? AMDG RS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myduwigd Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Hey guys, I heard that the Passion was less Catholic than some people expected it to be. But I think that Mel Gibson did a good job subtly sticking Catholic ideas in the movie (besides the cloth with Jesus' face on it). For instance, it is a good guide on how to pray the Rosary. The main focus is on Christ and His suffering (in movie and Rosary), but MAry is also a very important and moving part of it too. I think the movie offers a good guide to how you can medidate while praying the Rosary and focus both on Jesus and Mary (mostly on Christ naturally, though). Also when JEsus was being accused before the pharisees someone yells out that He claims that we must eat of his body and blood. any more ideas, critiques? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 [quote name='Isidore' date='Apr 12 2004, 08:04 AM'] Greetings, On the table scene.... I think the meaning of this scene is much more subtle. In the scene Jesus tells Mary that a rich benefactor ordered it. Mary tries it out, and says that it will never catch on. It was not Jesus' idea, it was just his job to build the table to the specifications of the one who ordered it. What was Jesus' mission? He was charged by God (rich benefactor) to bring forth the good news. It was different, and no one thought it would catch on. He built a church, that was different, and we sit at his table every week. When we go home, we sit at the kind of table Gibson envisioned Jesus building as well. So, they both caught on. Gibson is a grand storyteller. [/quote] Wow! That is an AWESOME observation! Thank you. oh so subtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebirth flame Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 hmmm... yeah... i too have seen the Passion again since my last post, and i must say that the tables are considerably different in the two scenes... i guess the person that told me that was just mistaken.... oh well, it matters not. sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willguy Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 [quote name='Isidore' date='Apr 12 2004, 09:17 AM'] You know you bring up a great point in general. Did you know that historians and theolgians believe that Barrabus' name was actually Yeshua Bar Abbas, or Jesus Son of the Father? Yeshua or Jesus was a very common name at the time, and the correlary between the two is striking. Perfect good against incarnate evil. The son of the True father forgives the sins of the son of the earthly father. [/quote] Some ancient Bible manuscripts call Barabbas "Jesus Barabbas". It is understandable why others dropped the first name. However, you are right, Barabbas means "son of the father," so the irony of the people shouting "Give us Barabbas (the Son of the Father)" is there. Whether it is divine irony or satanic would be an interesting discussion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willguy Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 [quote name='Rebirth flame' date='Apr 20 2004, 04:26 PM'] hmmm... yeah... i too have seen the Passion again since my last post, and i must say that the tables are considerably different in the two scenes... i guess the person that told me that was just mistaken.... oh well, it matters not. sorry! [/quote] Its a rumor that's been going around. A lot of people probably spread it without taking the time to look and see if its really true (thats how rumors are). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynne Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 I saw the film with a group of students from a highschool out of town while we were doing a 30-hour famine and we had a discussion afterwards. When the devil holds a baby... What does the child represent? My sister told me that it represents humanity and how he holds the world in his hands or something. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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