Muslim Demographics

[PeteWaldo]

Two videos alluding toward our kid's potential future if Muslims are not brought to the Gospel:

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jqCwqrz68g"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jqCwqrz68g[/url]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU[/url]

[musturde]

Why? For Pete's sake, read about Islam yourself. Stop getting lazy and watching small clips on youtube feeding you misconceptions about a religion. Fear of Islam, like fear of anything else, is caused by ignorance.

Edited June 3, 2009 by musturde

[PeteWaldo]

[quote name='musturde' post='1881606' date='Jun 2 2009, 10:34 PM']Why? For Pete's sake, read about Islam yourself. Stop getting lazy and watching small clips on youtube feeding you misconceptions about a religion. Fear of Islam, like fear of anything else, is caused by ignorance.[/quote]

Surah 4.157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Sura 112:1-3: Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Surah 9.30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

“Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh servant of Allah, oh Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!”

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and one of their heads left on the steps of a Church. The note left behind reads: "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."

From the near conquest of the whole known world of the Islamic First Jihad until being stopped in the battle or Poitiers (Tours) France, to the over 13,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just since 9-11.
[url="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/"]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/[/url]

From the Islamic First Jihad to Ahmadinejad: "I“Do not doubt Allah will prevail, and Islam will conquer mountaintops of the entire world."
The 1400 year goal of Islam remains the same.

[PeteWaldo]

[url="http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=voice+martyrs+girls+beheaded&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8"]Three teen girls beheaded[/url]

"Once again, women are the targets. In mid-March, rebels assaulted three women gathering firewood and cut off their ears, lips, and breasts."
"Starting in 2003, Janjaweed Arabs, a Sudan-backed militia, have driven 2 million villagers from their homes in ethnic-cleansing attacks designed to suppress local rebels."

"[url="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/may/21.26.html"]Eyewitness accounts[/url] detailing the militia attacks are horrifying. "They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes," one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, "After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children.""

[url="http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=ap+beheading+somalia+prayer&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8"]AP - December 06[/url], 2006 MOGADISHU, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days."

[url="http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89081"]In the U.S.[/url] "Mo Hassan, founder of Bridges TV, a station whose mission was "fostering understanding between cultures and diverse populations," cut off the head of his wife, Aasiya Hassan, 37, who had recently filed for divorce." NBC originally reporting on it now remaining considerably silent about it. Local TV - Fox - more

[url="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-562358/Teenage-Iraqi-girl-fell-love-BRITISH-soldier-Basra-murdered-father-honour-killing.html"]"Rand Abdel-Qader[/url], 17, was killed by her father after falling in love with a British soldier"
Though she had no sexual relations with the man, she told a girlfriend she was in love with him. When her father found out he threw her down, stood on her neck and started to stab her to death. Her brothers came running to help, but when their father told them what he found out, they helped him kill her.
That was just one of over 81 women "honor" killed in Basra for the year, by November 2008.
[url="http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu8ZNQxRK__IAngtXNyoA?p=honor+killing+islam&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501&fr2=sb-top&sao=0"]Honor killings Islam[/url]

Over [url="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/"]13,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks[/url], around the world, just since 9-11.

[PeteWaldo]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZHWhsc7wvg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZHWhsc7wvg[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fbXvq_ZIbw"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fbXvq_ZIbw[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQb1ko0eN9I"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQb1ko0eN9I[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-DA4WmfFWI"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-DA4WmfFWI[/url]

[musturde]

Peter, I refuse to even respond to you anymore. You obviously didn't read my post, I'm doing you the same honor. Unless you actually read about Islam yourself, not the anti-Islamic sites and videoclips you keep posting, I'm not responding to your bigotry.

Edit: your news sites don't help either. They don't prove anything. The religion isn't always the cause, you simplify things too easily, you haven't thought about the politics in each situation. Even in cases of extremism, you're generalizing a whole people with random news stories. This is just what my cousins did to me when I was in Lebanon. They gave me news stories about Americans doing idiotic things and claimed all Americans must be stupid. You are not only in these same lines, you are worse. You're not claiming that a whole people is "stupid", no. You are labeling a whole people as extremists.

Edited June 3, 2009 by musturde

[Hassan]

[quote name='musturde' post='1881977' date='Jun 3 2009, 10:25 AM']Peter, I refuse to even respond to you anymore. You obviously didn't read my post, I'm doing you the same honor. Unless you actually read about Islam yourself, not the anti-Islamic sites and videoclips you keep posting, I'm not responding to your bigotry.[/quote]



You gave him more of a time of day than I would have.

[PeteWaldo]

[quote name='musturde' post='1881977' date='Jun 3 2009, 11:25 AM']Peter, I refuse to even respond to you anymore. You obviously didn't read my post, I'm doing you the same honor.[/quote]

Of course I did. It wasn't very extensive you know. Here, I'll quote it:

"Why? For Pete's sake, read about Islam yourself. Stop getting lazy and watching small clips on youtube feeding you misconceptions about a religion. Fear of Islam, like fear of anything else, is caused by ignorance."

You suggested that I should "...read about Islam yourself."
So rather than respond with a bunch of hollow words of my own, I showed you some important fundamentals from Mohammed's book to help you understand Islam.
Again here are two of them:

Surah 4.157 That [b]they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus[/b] the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- [b]but they killed him not, nor crucified him,[/b] but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, [b]for of a surety they killed him not:-[/b]

Here's God's Word on the above surah:

2Pe 2:1 [color="#0000FF"]But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, [b]even denying the Lord that bought them,[/b] and bring upon themselves swift destruction. [/color]

Hbr 10:29 [color="#0000FF"]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who [b]hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?[/b][/color]

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 [b]Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous![/b]

Here is what God's Word on the subject of the verse above:

Jhn 3:36 [color="#0000FF"]He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and [b]he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.[/b] [/color]

1Jo 5:10 [color="#0000FF"]He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: [b]he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record[/b] that God gave of his Son. [/color]

1Jo 2:22 [color="#0000FF"]Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? [b]He is antichrist, that denieth [/b]the Father and[b] the Son.[/b] 23 [b]Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:[/b] [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also]. [/color]

Is there something in the language in the above verses that you find ambiguous?
Is Mohammedanism simply another Abrahamic faith?
The most important fundamental in Islam is manifest in specific denial that God has a Son. The only unpardonable sin would be committed if a Muslim were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God.

1Jo 4:15 [color="#0000FF"]Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. [/color]

[quote name='musturde' post='1881977' date='Jun 3 2009, 11:25 AM']Unless you actually read about Islam yourself, not the anti-Islamic sites and videoclips you keep posting, I'm not responding to your bigotry.[/quote]

But what I quoted before, and above is from the Quran and the bible. Not my words.
The videos simply help to confirm more modern day manifestations of the 1400 year history of the rotted fruit of the false prophet Mohammed.

[quote name='musturde' post='1881977' date='Jun 3 2009, 11:25 AM']Edit: your news sites don't help either. They don't prove anything.[/quote]

They simply demonstrate[b] the result[/b] of Mohammedanism. Where we find murder, mayhem and misery around the world today you are certainly more likely than not to find the hand of Islam.
[url="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/"]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/[/url]

That includes Sunni and Shiite targeting for murder of each others innocent men, women and children. As well as Islamic "honor" killings.

[quote name='musturde' post='1881977' date='Jun 3 2009, 11:25 AM']The religion isn't always the cause,[/quote]

Of course it is. The dar el salaam conquest of the dar el harb.
Islam is a dangerous death cult.
One of the hallmarks of a cult is an exit penalty. The traditional penalty for exiting Islam is death.

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and one of their heads left on the steps of a Church. The note left behind reads: "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."

Cause and effect. Some men simply out to please their god "Allah".

[quote name='musturde' post='1881977' date='Jun 3 2009, 11:25 AM']you simplify things too easily, you haven't thought about the politics in each situation.[/quote]

Are we called to put politics ahead of serving Jesus Christ? Is that the most important consideration?

[quote name='musturde' post='1881977' date='Jun 3 2009, 11:25 AM']Even in cases of extremism,[/quote]

The word is [b][size=4]fundamentalism[/size][/b].
It is those in the middle east cradle of the religion that [b][size=4]get[/size][/b] Islam, not some western wish-it-were-peaceful apostates that those in the middle east would cut the heads off of for apostasy.
Those that follow Islam according to the Quran as in the videos and instances above.
No non-Muslim is innocent.

Who do you think will prevails in this satanic cult? The peacenicks or those that understand the fundamentals and would cut their heads off?

[quote name='musturde' post='1881977' date='Jun 3 2009, 11:25 AM']you're generalizing a whole people with random news stories.[/quote]

No [b]I critiqued the religion[/b] of those people, based on the Quran and the Word of God.
The videos and such simply demonstrate the fruit.

[quote name='musturde' post='1881977' date='Jun 3 2009, 11:25 AM']This is just what my cousins did to me when I was in Lebanon. They gave me news stories about Americans doing idiotic things and claimed all Americans must be stupid.[/quote]

But as we can readily see from all of the verses I posted, that isn't al all what I did.

[quote name='musturde' post='1881977' date='Jun 3 2009, 11:25 AM']You are not only in these same lines, you are worse. You're not claiming that a whole people is "stupid", no. You are labeling a whole people as extremists.[/quote]

Perhaps you should consider:
"...For Pete's sake, read about Islam yourself.
Fear of Islam, like fear of anything else, is caused by ignorance."

Where did I express fear?
I am desperate to help show those poor lost souls the truth that Islam is the perfect opposite of Christianity.

Jhn 14:6 [color="#0000FF"]Jesus saith unto him, [b]I am[/b] the way, [b]the truth[/b], and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. [/color]

[PeteWaldo]

Mat 7:17 [color="#0000FF"]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. [/color]

Proverbs 14:12 [color="#0000FF"]There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.[/color]

[Maggyie]

Pete, you need to take a deep breath and do some more in-depth research on this topic. I know that there are website which provide long lists of "facts" about Islam, including cherry-picked quotes from the Koran, but these don't tell the whole story. Look deeper and think for yourself!

[PeteWaldo]

[quote name='Maggie' post='1882324' date='Jun 3 2009, 05:41 PM']Pete, you need to take a deep breath and do some more in-depth research on this topic. I know that there are website which provide long lists of "facts" about Islam, including cherry-picked quotes from the Koran, but these don't tell the whole story. Look deeper and think for yourself![/quote]

What do you mean "facts"? This is Mohammed's book we are talking about.
Cherry picked? While there is no shortage of nonsense and abrogated verses in the Quran, please show me where you have learned that denial of the Son of God isn't [b]central[/b] to their faith. [b]Indeed the most important fundamental.[/b]
Let's start here.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 [b]Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous![/b]

Do you find something ambiguous about that?
Are you aware that the greatest sin in Islam "shirk" is committed if a Muslim confesses that Jesus is the Son of God? The only unpardonable sin.

Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, or do you agree with the Mohammedans that is "a thing most monstrous"?

[Maggyie]

[quote name='PeteWaldo' post='1882471' date='Jun 3 2009, 10:05 PM']What do you mean "facts"? This is Mohammed's book we are talking about.
Cherry picked? While there is no shortage of nonsense and abrogated verses in the Quran, please show me where you have learned that denial of the Son of God isn't [b]central[/b] to their faith. [b]Indeed the most important fundamental.[/b]
Let's start here.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 [b]Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous![/b]

Do you find something ambiguous about that?
Are you aware that the greatest sin in Islam "shirk" is committed if a Muslim confesses that Jesus is the Son of God? The only unpardonable sin.

Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, or do you agree with the Mohammedans that is "a thing most monstrous"?[/quote]

I do believe that Jesus is the Son of God! And I know that the Muslims deny he is God. All religions except Christianity do that. I am a Catholic and I agree with the Church's attitude toward Islam.

[quote]3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.[/quote]

[url="http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html"]DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONSNOSTRA AETATE[/url]

By the way, have you actually read the Koran yourself?

Edited June 4, 2009 by Maggie

[Ivri Haza]

[quote name='PeteWaldo' post='1881494' date='Jun 2 2009, 09:07 PM']Two videos alluding toward our kid's potential future if Muslims are not brought to the Gospel:

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jqCwqrz68g"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jqCwqrz68g[/url]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU[/url][/quote]


this is great video, pete, thank you. i hope many christians will watch with a sober mood and take very seriously.

+ ivri

Edited June 4, 2009 by Ivri Haza

[Ivri Haza]

[quote name='musturde' post='1881606' date='Jun 2 2009, 11:34 PM']Why? For Pete's sake, read about Islam yourself. Stop getting lazy and watching small clips on youtube feeding you misconceptions about a religion. Fear of Islam, like fear of anything else, is caused by ignorance.[/quote]


you are on catholic message board telling catholics not to speak about islam. what is wrong with you?

[Ivri Haza]

[quote name='musturde' post='1881977' date='Jun 3 2009, 12:25 PM']Peter, I refuse to even respond to you anymore. You obviously didn't read my post,[/quote]

why should he read your post? you are a man who tells others you dont have time to look at videos [even when the links arent always videos,,,this shows you don't click the links at all] so why are you offended someone shows you the same lack of respect? you get what you give, habibi.


+ ivri