HomeTeamFamily Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 ok i just finished this great book on apologetics wehre it goes through and defends teh four marks of Christ's true church in a very logical manner. i was just wondering where these four marks come from?...who thought them up?....are they Biblical?....if so can someone reference the verses?....any help here would be great thanks adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 (edited) [quote name='lankyswimmer' date='Mar 27 2004, 06:20 PM'] i was just wondering where these four marks come from?...who thought them up?....are they Biblical?....if so can someone reference the verses?....any help here would be great thanks adam [/quote] it is my understanding that the four marks of the church come from the nicene-constantinoplian crede, which we say at every mass. The following is a literal translation of the Greek text of the Constantinopolitan form, the brackets indicating the words altered or added in the Western liturgical form in present use: [quote]We believe (I believe) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man; was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And (I believe) in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father (and the Son), who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by the Prophets. [b]And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church[/b]. We confess (I confess) one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for (I look for) the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."[/quote] i believe that [b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11049a.htm"]this article[/url][/b] will answer the rest of your questions. i would answer them myself, but i need to finish my homework. (even this much is a product of my procrastination!......the things i will do to put off a paper!) pax christi, phatcatholic Edited March 28, 2004 by phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted March 28, 2004 Author Share Posted March 28, 2004 thanks phatcatholic.....i think subconsiously i knew that ok on that link it says that the nicene creed is also professed by many protestant denominations.....if that is the case....how can they deny the proofs of teh One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church??? thats confusing to me peace and God bless pham adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovechrist Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 i believe that they "edit" the words, and change it to One Holy... now it's escaped me... i'll check on it and get back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willguy Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 [quote name='lankyswimmer' date='Mar 27 2004, 11:49 PM'] thanks phatcatholic.....i think subconsiously i knew that ok on that link it says that the nicene creed is also professed by many protestant denominations.....if that is the case....how can they deny the proofs of teh One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church??? thats confusing to me peace and God bless pham adam [/quote] They use the word catholic to mean "universal" and believe that the One, Holy, catholic (they use a little "c" so it doesn't look like they're refering to us), and Apostolic Church is all of Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 [quote name='lankyswimmer' date='Mar 27 2004, 06:20 PM'] ok i just finished this great book on apologetics wehre it goes through and defends teh four marks of Christ's true church in a very logical manner. i was just wondering where these four marks come from?...who thought them up?....are they Biblical?....if so can someone reference the verses?....any help here would be great thanks adam [/quote] You may want to scope out www.scripturecatholic.com for references. Particularly this page: [url="http://www.scripturecatholic.com/the_church.html"]http://www.scripturecatholic.com/the_church.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 [url="http://www.tcrnews2.com/likoudis2.html"]http://www.tcrnews2.com/likoudis2.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 [quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Apr 3 2004, 09:09 AM'] [url="http://www.tcrnews2.com/likoudis2.html"]http://www.tcrnews2.com/likoudis2.html[/url] [/quote] how did u find this article at that site. i've been looking everywhere, and i can't find it. i like to find an article someone links to myself, b/c there are usually other articles w/ it that i may want to read as well. holla back, phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 Honestly, I just did a yahoo search. I believe the terms I used were "'Catholic apologetics' 'Eastern Orthodoxy'" Note use of quotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 actually, i found it. if u go to the main page, its "orthodox 2" in the left panel, towards the bottom of the page. they have some other good articles about orthodoxy as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 This is bizarre. My puter is only loading parts of pages! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 Maybe if you would not call it a puter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted April 5, 2004 Share Posted April 5, 2004 [quote name='Theoketos' date='Apr 4 2004, 01:30 AM'] Maybe if you would not call it a puter... [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 [quote name='ilovechrist' date='Apr 3 2004, 12:25 AM'] i believe that they "edit" the words, and change it to One Holy... now it's escaped me... i'll check on it and get back [/quote] Hey, gotta jump in here, as per my presbyterian bible from a presbyterian church oops! As from my hymnal from a presbyterian church: it states....And I believe one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 its from the Apostles Creed 2nd century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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