goldenchild17 Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 What is the Catholic teaching on speaking in tongues? I've been questioned on this because I told this person that the power to forgive sins has been passed down from the apostles. He asked me if the power to speak in tongues was as well. I didn't think so, but I wanted to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 Charismatic Catholics. They are the Pentecostals of Catholicm, the Catholic Church has never quite figured out what to do with them. As a tounge speaking Pentecostal, I can assure you, OUR SIDE has just as much difficulty integrating this as your side does. It is totally biblical, and is worthly of endless debating, the do's and don'ts the right and wrong, the proper and improper. In fact, my church locally is 60% ex-Catholic, and is Assembly of God, a charismatic mainline denomination, so we have this interesting oddity, most of us WERE Catholic at one time, and integrating from Catholic to Pentecostal provides some very lively discussions in my church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 The teaching is that speaking in tongues can and does happen, but we have to be certain it's from the Holy Spirit and not from Satan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 (edited) [quote]The teaching is that speaking in tongues can and does happen, but we have to be certain it's from the Holy Spirit and not from Satan.[/quote] Amen Dave. NOW.... There is ONLY ONE TYPE OF TOUNGES that is *totally* free from risk. [this is MY personal opinion after a year of study on this issue, and has survived every test] Go into an empty room, close the door, kneel. Babble or to use the more approved code language "with moans and utterances" pray to God, with the Holy Spirit in you. You will feel stupid, you will be doing tounges, and YOU CANNOT violate any of the warnings all alone by yourself. PS: It works. You will feel goofy, I know...I know. Everyone does. Edited March 27, 2004 by Bruce S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 why would you feel goofy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennC Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 [quote]He asked me if the power to speak in tongues was as well.[/quote] Tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit, some say everyone gets this gift and others feel that the gifts are presented as the Spirit chooses and so not everyone receives it?? Peace of Christ, Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCrusader Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 Only those existing inside the Church can receive this gift. I am fairly certain that this gift is never given any longer (for there is no need for it), according to what St. Paul said in his first epistle to the Corinthians. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 (edited) The "gift section" is a PARAGRAPH. You can't say SOME "gifts" are obsolete and others are not. Not when it is contained in a single expression. If tounges ceased, so did healing, and teaching. Think about it. Some parse phrases, but you can't pluck out WORDS .... As for the comment that the gift of tounges exists ONLY in the Catholic Church, ahh...guys, Pentecostals were the ones that "revived" this practice, in 1900ish, the Catholic Church was doing LATIN then, of course, most of us, not speaking Latin all that well, may have SOUNDED LIKE TOUNGES... Grin. Edited March 27, 2004 by Bruce S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCrusader Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 You said it yourself..."they revived the practice"...1) it's not a practice 2) it's not something you can just "revive". If you believe either of those, then you cannot say it is a true Gift of the Holy Ghost, for then the Holy Ghost is not giving the Gift, someone is just supposidly "speaking in tongues", which means he is making it up. Also, you can't just "revive" something... [color=red][Edited by Ice Princess: disrespect for the Mass--negative criticism][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FX2 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 I know some people that have spoken in tounges that i believe was the holy spirit and is authentic. Also I know some people who say the speak in tounges and i dont beleive them. There is this group in South Bend called the People of Praise. This is a nation wide group, yet ive been to other ones and this south bend group seems alot different then others. My mom went there for a couple of weeks in a row, and i have been to some, and each week they start speaking in touges. Now this could be authentic, but with my feeling i highly doubt it. So yes i do believe theres people who speak in tounges. Yet i think there are others who are just phony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carson Weber Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 CatholicCrusader, you wrote "[b]Only those existing inside the Church can receive this gift[/b]". You are incorrect. The charismatic gifts can be and have been given to those who are visibly outside of the Church, those who are visibly inside of the Church, those who are in a state of grace, and to those who are outside a state of grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=9491"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=9491[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCrusader Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 Carson, Yeah, I bet Scott told you that :-) J/K... Whence does that come--the idea that the Holy Ghost gives gifts (tongues in particular) to those outside the Church? (Of course, Our Lady administers actual graces to these outside the Church, for without grace none could convert, yet, actual gifts are much different than that.) God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 [quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Mar 29 2004, 02:35 PM'] Whence does that come--the idea that the Holy Ghost gives gifts (tongues in particular) to those outside the Church? (Of course, Our Lady administers actual graces to these outside the Church, for without grace none could convert, yet, actual gifts are much different than that.) God bless. [/quote] This issue is actually important to defending the Cahtolic Church's teaching on baptismal regeneration, for Cornelius recieved gifts of the Spirit before he was baptized. Obviously, if this meant he was justified before he was baptized, it would support the Protestant contention that baptism is only a symbol, or an outward profession of faith. From CAI's Q & A board: Question: The Roman Catholic Church maintains that baptism is necessary for salvation. However Cornelius was saved before he was baptized. Acts 10:47 states that he "received" the Holy Spirit. According to 1 John 4:13 to have the Spirit means that one abides in God and God abides in them. To abide in God and to have God abide in you describes a saved person. Also Cornelius spoke in tongues before he was baptized (Acts 10:44-48). This New Testament gift is given to those "in the church" (1 Corinthians 12:28) that is Christ's body (Colossians 1:24). The fact that Cornelius had this NT gift demonstrates that he was already "in" the body of Christ before he was baptized. Answer by Robert Sungenis: The context of Acts 10-11 does not say Cornelius was saved before he was baptized. It only says that he received the ability to speak in tongues by the Holy Spirit, but neither speaking in tongues nor receiving an audible manifestation of the Spirit necessarily means one has received salvation. It could certainly be considered a preparation to receive salvation, but it is not salvation, especially as we consider the context of the book of Acts, specifically chapters 2, 8, 10-11, 19, in which the Spirit was being manifested in a number of different ways in order to strengthen the fledgling Christian church. The same was true in the Old Testament, that is, the Spirit moved both the godly and the ungodly to do or utter various things (e.g., Bezaleel, Balaam, David, Saul, et al), not only to the godly. In fact, Acts 10:47 compares Cornelius' receiving of the Spirit to what the Apostles received on Pentecost day when they spoke in tongues, not to when the Apostles received salvation, which was long before Pentecost. In this way, the reference to receiving the Spirit, both for the Apostles and Cornelius, is speaking about miraculous gifts, not salvation. Although your references to 1 John 4:13; 1 Cor 12:28 and Col 1:24 are admirable, they are passages in different contexts that are talking about different things than the context of Acts 10-11. Each passage has to be interpreted in light of its context, rather than strung together in sequence to attempt to prove a predetermined idea, or what is commonly known as "proof-texting." As it stands, the Catholic interpretation sees the call for water baptism in Acts 10:47-48 as a necessity, since it is the only instrument of salvation being used in the context. The one thing that the sign of tongues did was show Peter that Cornelius was ready to receive water baptism for salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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