OraProMe Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I saw on the tv that his new girlfriend is pregnant. I know he was a sedevacantist (well, possibly. He went to an indult Mass in Rome while directing passion of the christ), but he seemed to have a strong faith. It's so sad that a man who created the Passion of the Christ, publicly proclaimed he was a devout Catholic attending the TLM and founded a chapel has now fallen into such sin. I wonder what the members of his home chapel and his priest think. Sad news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 [quote name='OraProMe' post='1876848' date='May 27 2009, 08:12 PM']I saw on the tv that his new girlfriend is pregnant. I know he was a sedevacantist (well, possibly. He went to an indult Mass in Rome while directing passion of the christ), but he seemed to have a strong faith. It's so sad that a man who created the Passion of the Christ, publicly proclaimed he was a devout Catholic attending the TLM and founded a chapel has now fallen into such sin. I wonder what the members of his home chapel and his priest think. Sad news.[/quote] Yeah it's sad. Don't quote me on this, but I suspect Gibson would probably justify it by saying his marriage to his protestant first wife was never valid, or something. There are plenty of pitfalls one can fall into when one essentially sets himself up as his own little pope. I still do admire his work on the [i]Passion[/i] though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 It's like how the sacraments work ex opere operato. The Passion is a great film despite the lack of holiness of its producer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 (edited) Actually, Mel Gibson is not a sedevacantist, he's a sedeimpeditist. Sedevacantism believes that the last five Popes were anti-Popes. Mel, on the other hand, believes that last five Popes were true and valid Popes, but they their "heresy" caused them to be unable to exercise their office. Edited May 28, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share Posted May 28, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1876858' date='May 27 2009, 08:25 PM']Actually, Mel Gibson is not a sedevacantist, he's a sedeimpeditist. Sedevacantism believes that the last five Popes were anti-Popes. Mel, on the other hand, believes that last five Popes were true and valid Popes, but they their "heresy" caused them to be unable to exercise their office.[/quote] Actually you're wrong, sedeprivationism (or as you call it, sedeimpeditism) is a subset of sedevacantism. Your garden variety sedevacantist holds that the papal bull [i]Cum Ex Officio[/i] (among other things) lead to John XXIII onwards falling from office. Sedeprivationists believe that modernist heresy prevents them from TAKING office. Either way, they don't hold office. Either way, they're not "true and valid popes". A sedeprivationist believes that Joseph Ratzinger has the potential to be a true pope, if he renounces his heresy. It's called the Cassiacum Thesis and was created by Guard Des Lauriers who was a dominican, illicitly consecrated a bishop by Arch. Thuc. Do you get what I mean? They're different theories that come to the same conclusion. To say that sedeprivationists hold that Benedict XVI is a "true and valid pope" is incorrect. For example, they wont pray for the pope during the Mass. Edited May 28, 2009 by OraProMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I think of men like King David and Saul when I think of those like Gibson, who preach the word of God. But who do not always live by that Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 (edited) [quote name='OraProMe' post='1876848' date='May 27 2009, 08:12 PM']I saw on the tv that his new girlfriend is pregnant. I know he was a sedevacantist (well, possibly. He went to an indult Mass in Rome while directing passion of the christ), but he seemed to have a strong faith. It's so sad that a man who created the Passion of the Christ, publicly proclaimed he was a devout Catholic attending the TLM and founded a chapel has now fallen into such sin. I wonder what the members of his home chapel and his priest think. Sad news.[/quote] I will always appreciate what he did in giving us the Passion of the Christ. And I actually still have a lot of respect for his father Hutton Gibson (incidently he was quite the Jeopardy champ). Mel's struggling with many things that he needs to work out, who doesn't? It's unfortunate that his personal problems are being publicized so much but that's the life the rich and famous. It's my personal opinion that we really shouldn't be discussing and/or analyzing anyone's personal failures, whether it be him or anyone else. There's plenty of other stuff to keep us busy talking about. A thread for Mr. Gibson in the prayer forum should've been sufficient. Edited May 28, 2009 by goldenchild17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 [quote name='goldenchild17' post='1877145' date='May 28 2009, 11:06 AM']Mel's struggling with many things that he needs to work out, who doesn't? It's unfortunate that his personal problems are being publicized so much but that's the life the rich and famous. It's my personal opinion that we really shouldn't be discussing and/or analyzing anyone's personal failures, whether it be him or anyone else. There's plenty of other stuff to keep us busy talking about. A thread for Mr. Gibson in the prayer forum should've been sufficient.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoTeckam Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 (edited) [quote name='goldenchild17' post='1877145' date='May 28 2009, 07:06 AM']I will always appreciate what he did in giving us the Passion of the Christ. And I actually still have a lot of respect for his father Hutton Gibson (incidently he was quite the Jeopardy champ). Mel's struggling with many things that he needs to work out, who doesn't? It's unfortunate that his personal problems are being publicized so much but that's the life the rich and famous. It's my personal opinion that we really shouldn't be discussing and/or analyzing anyone's personal failures, whether it be him or anyone else. There's plenty of other stuff to keep us busy talking about. A thread for Mr. Gibson in the prayer forum should've been sufficient.[/quote] I am curious to know what Hutton Gibson did to deserve your respect. I do not know much about him but I have seen interviews given by him that are extraordinarily antisemitic. Edited May 28, 2009 by VoTeckam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1876858' date='May 27 2009, 10:25 PM']Actually, Mel Gibson is not a sedevacantist, he's a sedeimpeditist. Sedevacantism believes that the last five Popes were anti-Popes. Mel, on the other hand, believes that last five Popes were true and valid Popes, but they their "heresy" caused them to be unable to exercise their office.[/quote] [quote name='OraProMe' post='1877137' date='May 28 2009, 05:12 AM']Actually you're wrong, sedeprivationism (or as you call it, sedeimpeditism) is a subset of sedevacantism. Your garden variety sedevacantist holds that the papal bull [i]Cum Ex Officio[/i] (among other things) lead to John XXIII onwards falling from office. Sedeprivationists believe that modernist heresy prevents them from TAKING office.[/quote] No, no, no... you're both wrong! And I'm gonna tell ya why after I finish my cereal and coffee... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggamafu Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 [quote name='Brother Adam' post='1876857' date='May 27 2009, 09:24 PM']It's like how the sacraments work ex opere operato. The Passion is a great film despite the lack of holiness of its producer.[/quote] That...shouldn't have made me laugh, right? Hmm... Anyway, an excellent observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share Posted May 28, 2009 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1877175' date='May 28 2009, 09:35 AM']No, no, no... you're both wrong! And I'm gonna tell ya why after I finish my cereal and coffee...[/quote] no no no! I have a friend that grew up in a sedevacantist family. And they were sent to America to go to a school run by a guy called Bp. Donald Sanborn who is a sedeprivationist. Our Lady help of Christians I think it was called. I know all about it >__>! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 [quote name='goldenchild17' post='1877145' date='May 28 2009, 05:06 AM']A thread for Mr. Gibson in the prayer forum should've been sufficient.[/quote] Yes. I don't see how this thread is anything but gossip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 [quote name='Terra Firma' post='1877183' date='May 28 2009, 10:25 AM']Yes. I don't see how this thread is anything but gossip.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 [quote name='goldenchild17' post='1877145' date='May 28 2009, 04:06 AM']It's my personal opinion that we really shouldn't be discussing and/or analyzing anyone's personal failures, whether it be him or anyone else. There's plenty of other stuff to keep us busy talking about. A thread for Mr. Gibson in the prayer forum should've been sufficient.[/quote] +J.M.J.+ agreed. the thread is closed - it's nothing but a place to gossip. but someone please feel free to start a thread in the prayer phorum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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