Donating To A Protestant Church?

[OraProMe]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1876505' date='May 27 2009, 05:21 AM']"This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits." (Dignitatis Humanae, 2)

As far as I am aware, a nurse refusing to get a Protestant minister is not the same as her forcing a patient not to receive the Protestant equivalent of last rites.[/quote]

It is standing in the way of his free exercise of both religion and conscience.

[Resurrexi]

My friend is at home sick. Out of the kindness of my heart, I am at his house helping him get better. I am making a gourmet dinner for myself and offer to share it with my friend. However, my friend says that he wants a delivery pizza instead. He tells me to call and order him a pizza, but I tell him that I'm not going to do it for him. I'm not going to help him get his takeout pizza, but I'm certainly not forcing him to eat my gourmet dinner.

Edited May 27, 2009 by Resurrexi

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1876116' date='May 26 2009, 09:33 PM']Bl. Teresa wasn't a theologian. She may have been mistaken in what the correct course of action was in certain circumstances.[/quote]

She wasn't a theologian, but she is a Blessed of Holy Mother Church on her way to being proclaimed and canonized a Saint...

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1876504' date='May 27 2009, 06:09 AM']If you think that it is very charitable to formally cooperate with someone possibly condemning himself to hell (or further therein) by the grave sin of offering false worship to God, then you and I have very different notions of what charity is![/quote]

This is for Jesus Christ to decide.

[Resurrexi]

It is for Christ (as well as the person who commits the act) to decide whether knowledge or consent were present, but we are certainly able to state that an act itself is morally evil.

[Spence06]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1876614' date='May 27 2009, 02:18 PM']It is for Christ (as well as the person who commits the act) to decide whether knowledge or consent were present, but we are certainly able to state that an act itself is morally evil.[/quote]

Then why does the Church prescribe Catholic schools to give space to a non-catholic minister and allow for other religious leaders to minister to the spiritual needs of non-Catholic members of the school.

[puellapaschalis]

[quote name='Spence06' post='1876689' date='May 27 2009, 10:33 PM']Then why does the Church prescribe Catholic schools to give space to a non-catholic minister and allow for other religious leaders to minister to the spiritual needs of non-Catholic members of the school.[/quote]

I'm not sure She does - do you have a citation for that?

[Spence06]

[quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1876692' date='May 27 2009, 05:38 PM']I'm not sure She does - do you have a citation for that?[/quote]

She states in the PONTIFICIUM CONSILIUM
AD CHRISTIANORUM UNITATEM FOVENDAM

DIRECTORY FOR THE APPLICATION OF
PRINCIPLES AND NORMS ON ECUMENISM

141. In Catholic schools and institutions, every effort should be made to respect the faith and conscience of students or teachers who belong to other Churches or ecclesial Communities. In accordance with their own approved statutes, the authorities of these schools and institutions should take care that clergy of other Communities have every facility for giving spiritual and sacramental ministration to their own faithful who attend such schools or institutions. As far as circumstances allow, with the permission of the diocesan Bishop these facilities can be offered on the Catholic premises, including the church or chapel.

142. In hospitals, homes for the aged and similar institutions conducted by Catholics, the authorities should promptly advise priests and ministers of other Communities of the presence of their faithful and afford them every facility to visit these persons and give them spiritual and sacramental ministrations under dignified and reverent conditions, including the use of the chapel.

From
[url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_25031993_principles-and-norms-on-ecumenism_en.html"]http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontific...umenism_en.html[/url]

[puellapaschalis]

Oh cool, I didn't know about that - thanks!

Although that "use of the chapel" bit makes me wonder (and this is now [i]really[/i] off-topic) is what the then Archbishop of Birmingham (now the Abp of Westminster) used to justify the use of a Catholic college's chapel for a birthday celebration for Mohammed

[StColette]

I guess I'm in trouble because Aaron will most likely be attending a Baptist daycare for at least a year until there's an opening in the Catholic one. And I once paid a Methodist Church for some killer nachos at a local festival. I was pregnant, hungry, and craving them. Don't mess with pregnant women!

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Spence06' post='1876689' date='May 27 2009, 04:33 PM']Then why does the Church prescribe Catholic schools to give space to a non-catholic minister and allow for other religious leaders to minister to the spiritual needs of non-Catholic members of the school.[/quote]

Does what you said have any relation to the judging of the objective immorality of an action?

[OraProMe]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1876761' date='May 27 2009, 05:23 PM']Does what you said have any relation to the judging of the objective immorality of an action?[/quote]

Yes, it does. It's based on the same principle. If Catholic institutions are allowed to provide protestant services to non-catholic Christians regularly then why wouldn't a nurse be allowed to to do the same thing on a one off?

They're wrong, yes. But they have a right to be wrong. No one should prohibit someone from acting in accordance with their conscience. In the end God will judge them.
Error has no rights.
Those in error do.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='OraProMe' post='1876809' date='May 27 2009, 08:15 PM']No one should prohibit someone from acting in accordance with their conscience.[/quote]

Because [i]not helping[/i] someone act according to his erroneous beliefs is exactly the same as [i]forcing[/i] him to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs.

[OraProMe]

You think that refusing to call a pastor in to see him when he is physically incapable of doing so himself isn't standing in the way of his right to exercise his religion?

Can you please address the example of Catholic schools that someone else provided.

Edited May 28, 2009 by OraProMe

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='OraProMe' post='1876829' date='May 27 2009, 08:45 PM']You think that refusing to call a pastor in to see him when he is physically incapable of doing so himself isn't standing in the way of his right to exercise his religion?[/quote]

It is certainly not impeding his right to religious freedom. If the sick man wants to have the minister come, the nun isn't stopping it. She's merely not helping.