Donating To A Protestant Church?

[loveletslive]

girl scout cookies seriously support planned parenthood?

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='loveletslive' post='1875559' date='May 26 2009, 10:07 AM']girl scout cookies seriously support planned parenthood? [/quote]
I think it varies by council.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Spence06' post='1875506' date='May 26 2009, 01:52 AM']Erin,

I believe there is no rule against offering charity to any Non-Catholic group that does a good work. All that I've read from the Decree on Ecumenism and also Principles and Norms on Ecumenism, seem to offer a drastically different picture then the quote above from Res.[/quote]

I'm sure that the Catholic teaching on co-operating in the grave sins of others has changed so much.

[HisChildForever]

Hm, some of you say "yes," some say "no," and some say "it depends." I think I will just play it safe and not donate. When I have time I'll see if they have a website.

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1875357' date='May 25 2009, 11:42 PM']To sing or pray along in non-Catholic services is wrong because it is aa participation in an illicit form of worship (cf. 123) -- Sisters in a hospital may not summon an non-Catholic minister for a dying person to assist him in death. For a very weighty reason (e.g., public welfare) they may inform a minister that the patient desires to see him. It seems unlawful even for them to prepare a little table for his use in religious ministrations.[/quote]

These seem a bit strict... so if a Jewish or Muslim patient is dying, a sister cannot summon a chaplain of the patient's faith? Seems this could come into conflict with the command to ensure patients are comforted, especially at the hour of their death.

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1875357' date='May 25 2009, 11:42 PM']a lesser reason justifies the ordinary laborer to work on such buildings. In both cases, however, the supposition is that the heresy has long been practiced unmolested in that particular locality.[/quote]

Funny timing... just last week I helped refinish the hardwood floors in a room at the Baptist church I used to attend. Of course, I got paid. Had a beer with a couple of friends there... talked about sexual ethics... good times.

What's it mean that a heresy has been practiced unmolested?

[Sojourner]

I've had this issue arise with regard to friends (Protestant) going into the mission field and asking for support. I've opted in all cases not to do it, because they're preaching an incomplete/incorrect gospel. I'll usually give prayer support, but not financial.

I think you just have to weigh individual causes and determine whether you can in good conscience support the message being given. Giving money does, in my mind, imply that you support a particular ideology or theology.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1875610' date='May 26 2009, 11:02 AM']I've had this issue arise with regard to friends (Protestant) going into the mission field and asking for support. I've opted in all cases not to do it, because they're preaching an incomplete/incorrect gospel. I'll usually give prayer support, but not financial.

I think you just have to weigh individual causes and determine whether you can in good conscience support the message being given. Giving money does, in my mind, imply that you support a particular ideology or theology.[/quote]

I remember one of my dad's co-workers was raising money for his son's mission trip, and he wasn't to sure about it, so he talked to the kid about what he planned to do. He was doing his two years as a Mormon, and was going to Mexico to try to convert Catholics. He was really glad he asked. The kid's dad never bought any of my Camp Fire Candy after that though, so there are consequences.

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1875610' date='May 26 2009, 01:02 PM']I've had this issue arise with regard to friends (Protestant) going into the mission field and asking for support. I've opted in all cases not to do it, because they're preaching an incomplete/incorrect gospel. I'll usually give prayer support, but not financial.

I think you just have to weigh individual causes and determine whether you can in good conscience support the message being given. Giving money does, in my mind, imply that you support a particular ideology or theology.[/quote]

And it may depend on knowing that person and how open they are to Catholicism being a legitimate expression of Christianity versus a rabid anti-Catholic who is specifically targeting them for conversion. Almost ten years ago I went on a trip sponsored by the church I was attending and the Mississippi Baptist Mission Board and received some support from Catholic relatives. At the time, I didn't think anything of it because I'd been raised around Catholics and always saw them as fellow Christians. It never occured to me that there were real and substantial differences until well into college.

Likewise, I support a local chapter of InterVaristy Christian Fellowship because it's friends of mine who are involved and I know their evangelism is targeted to non-Christians. InterVarsity specifically defines Christians as including Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox and their doctrinal statement is written to agree with all three while excluding folks like Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. So I feel that's pretty justifiable.

Of course, what I need to do is use the fact that I'm donating as a door to encourage them to be more involved in pro-life ministry...

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1875610' date='May 26 2009, 12:02 PM']I've had this issue arise with regard to friends (Protestant) going into the mission field and asking for support. I've opted in all cases not to do it, because they're preaching an incomplete/incorrect gospel. I'll usually give prayer support, but not financial.

I think you just have to weigh individual causes and determine whether you can in good conscience support the message being given. Giving money does, in my mind, imply that you support a particular ideology or theology.[/quote]
A wise man once suggested to me to support them in other ways-- prayer (as you suggested) and by sending them creature comforts that they may not have on the mission field. Wonder whatever happened to that guy.

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1875616' date='May 26 2009, 12:11 PM']I remember one of my dad's co-workers was raising money for his son's mission trip, and he wasn't to sure about it, so he talked to the kid about what he planned to do. He was doing his two years as a Mormon, and was going to Mexico to try to convert Catholics. He was really glad he asked. The kid's dad never bought any of my Camp Fire Candy after that though, so there are consequences.[/quote]
See? Now that's just petty. What ideology of Camp Fire did he disagree with?

[HisChildForever]

Okay I found the website, here is an introduction:

"The vision of Mount Olive Baptist Church is to be a culturally relevant African American church that provides dynamic worship of God, while extending his transforming Grace to reach the unchurched community."

"It is our vision to have every member of our congregation involved in ongoing Christian education learning. We believe that God calls us all to “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 1 Timothy 2:15. Therefore it is our vision to provide a wide variety of classes, workshops, seminars, retreats, and small groups that will facilitate the biblical, spiritual, and cultural growth and transformation of our members. For us, Christian education involves not only Bible classes, but may also involve Black History, parenting skills, economic development workshops, health seminars, financial planning etc. We are interested in ministering to the whole person."

This is from the pastor:

"Thank you for visiting the Mount Olive Baptist Church website. For over 119 years, Mount Olive Baptist Church has attempted to be at the cross roads of life in Bergen County. In 1889, we were originally founded as an African American congregation. Today, although we are still largely African American, we now see ourselves as a congregation open to all people. We are a people determined to be partners with God as he restores his broken creation."

They also stress educating the youth and "it is our vision to support Global Missions in such a way that we not only preach the Gospel, but that we can actually be the Good News through providing schools, clinics, food, churches, etc." They have a page that is for donations BUT it is under maintenance.

I found this questionable -

"Thank you for requesting to have your baby’s Dedication Service performed at Mount Olive. In our tradition, we do not baptize infants, we dedicate babies to God. Once the child is old enough to make a conscious decision that he or she accepts Christ as his Savior, we will baptize him or her at that time."

Lol, I keep making edits. They do use the term "Holy Communion" which is offered once a month.

Edited May 26, 2009 by HisChildForever

[CatherineM]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1875753' date='May 26 2009, 01:58 PM']Okay I found the website, here is an introduction:

"The vision of Mount Olive Baptist Church is to be a culturally relevant African American church that provides dynamic worship of God, while extending his transforming Grace to reach the unchurched community."

"It is our vision to have every member of our congregation involved in ongoing Christian education learning. We believe that God calls us all to “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 1 Timothy 2:15. Therefore it is our vision to provide a wide variety of classes, workshops, seminars, retreats, and small groups that will facilitate the biblical, spiritual, and cultural growth and transformation of our members. For us, Christian education involves not only Bible classes, but may also involve Black History, parenting skills, economic development workshops, health seminars, financial planning etc. We are interested in ministering to the whole person."

This is from the pastor:

"Thank you for visiting the Mount Olive Baptist Church website. For over 119 years, Mount Olive Baptist Church has attempted to be at the cross roads of life in Bergen County. In 1889, we were originally founded as an African American congregation. Today, although we are still largely African American, we now see ourselves as a congregation open to all people. We are a people determined to be partners with God as he restores his broken creation."

They also stress educating the youth and "it is our vision to support Global Missions in such a way that we not only preach the Gospel, but that we can actually be the Good News through providing schools, clinics, food, churches, etc." They have a page that is for donations BUT it is under maintenance.

I found this questionable -

"Thank you for requesting to have your baby’s Dedication Service performed at Mount Olive. In our tradition, we do not baptize infants, we dedicate babies to God. Once the child is old enough to make a conscious decision that he or she accepts Christ as his Savior, we will baptize him or her at that time."

Lol, I keep making edits. They do use the term "Holy Communion" which is offered once a month.[/quote]

That makes me want to send them money.

I like it when churches target the un-churched. There are certainly plenty of those to go after rather than trying to poach.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1875608' date='May 26 2009, 12:01 PM']These seem a bit strict... so if a Jewish or Muslim patient is dying, a sister cannot summon a chaplain of the patient's faith? Seems this could come into conflict with the command to ensure patients are comforted, especially at the hour of their death.



Funny timing... just last week I helped refinish the hardwood floors in a room at the Baptist church I used to attend. Of course, I got paid. Had a beer with a couple of friends there... talked about sexual ethics... good times.

What's it mean that a heresy has been practiced unmolested?[/quote]

I'm just glad you know more than a priest with a doctorate in Canon Law whose book is basically a summary of St. Alphonsus' magnum opus, [i]Theologia Moralis[/i].

[dominicansoul]

i think we can go crazy thinking too much about this...

and i mean, scruples...

after all, the majority of the time, we spend our money in places where we have absolutely no clue where it is going, or what it is supporting...

as for donating to protestant denoms, if they use that money for the explicit use of spreading an anti-Catholic message, [u]do not donate[/u]...BUT if they are out there spreading the Gospel of Jesus (whether they are expressing the fullness of that message or not,) I dont' see the harm in that...after all, many a protestant came home to the Catholic church through the ways and means of their protestant faith first....

of course, always use your own discretion...i sure wouldn't donate to any Jack Chick ministries......

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1875798' date='May 26 2009, 04:28 PM']as for donating to protestant denoms,[/quote]

I read this too fast and thought you said "demons," LOL.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1875608' date='May 26 2009, 11:01 AM']These seem a bit strict... so if a Jewish or Muslim patient is dying, a sister cannot summon a chaplain of the patient's faith? Seems this could come into conflict with the command to ensure patients are comforted, especially at the hour of their death.[/quote]

i think Bl. Mother Teresa of Calcutta used to do this...