The Marian Vow

[laetitia crucis]

Besides the [url="http://marymediatrix.com"]Franciscans of the Immaculate[/url] (including the [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G1KmarrhR0"]Poor Clares of the Immaculate[/url]) and the [url="http://iveamerica.org"]Institute of the Incarnate Word[/url] (including the [url="http://ssvmusa.org"]Servants of the Lord and the Virgin of Matara[/url]), are there any other orders with the [b]Marian Vow[/b]?

Thanks!
lc

[InHisLove726]

[quote name='laetitia crucis' post='1874361' date='May 24 2009, 02:15 PM']Besides the [url="http://marymediatrix.com"]Franciscans of the Immaculate[/url] (including the [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G1KmarrhR0"]Poor Clares of the Immaculate[/url]) and the [url="http://iveamerica.org"]Institute of the Incarnate Word[/url] (including the [url="http://ssvmusa.org"]Servants of the Lord and the Virgin of Matara[/url]), are there any other orders with the [b]Marian Vow[/b]?

Thanks!
lc[/quote]

I know the Servants of Mary, Ministers to the Sick have a Marian vow:
[url="http://www.sisterservantsofmary.com/"]http://www.sisterservantsofmary.com/[/url]

The Servants of the Pierced Hearts of Jesus and Mary
[url="http://www.piercedhearts.org/"]http://www.piercedhearts.org/[/url]

Sisters Minor of Mary Immaculate

Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church
[url="http://www.sistersofmarymotherofthechurch.org/"]http://www.sistersofmarymotherofthechurch.org/[/url]

[laetitia crucis]

[quote name='InHisLove726' post='1874370' date='May 24 2009, 03:46 PM']I know the Servants of Mary, Ministers to the Sick have a Marian vow:
[url="http://www.sisterservantsofmary.com/"]http://www.sisterservantsofmary.com/[/url]

The Servants of the Pierced Hearts of Jesus and Mary
[url="http://www.piercedhearts.org/"]http://www.piercedhearts.org/[/url]

Sisters Minor of Mary Immaculate

Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church
[url="http://www.sistersofmarymotherofthechurch.org/"]http://www.sistersofmarymotherofthechurch.org/[/url][/quote]

Thanks!

[InHisLove726]

[quote name='laetitia crucis' post='1874383' date='May 24 2009, 02:59 PM']Thanks! [/quote]

You're welcome!

[InHisLove726]

Also, this might help you!

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=49639"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=49639[/url]

[Thomist-in-Training]

To make a distinction:

One may make the Consecration to Mary. All kinds of people do this and there are different levels of it, with different amounts of public-ness.
One may also make a [i]Vow [/i] of Consecration to Mary, which has a higher meaning and effect than simple Consecration.

The Servants of Mary, Ministers of the Sick list that they have vows of Poverty, Chastity and Obedience [url="http://www.sisterservantsofmary.com/vocations.html"]on this page[/url]. They might have the devotion of [i]consecration [/i]to Mary according to St Louis de Montfort or St Maximilian but unless someone knows more about them than I do, it doesn't seem that they have a [i]vow[/i].

Similarly for the Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church: "The vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience together with our total consecration to Jesus through Mary," so the Consecration is very important to them but not a vow, at least not at this time.


On the other hand,


The Servants of the Lord and the Virgin of Matara do have a "fourth Vow of Marian slavery according to the method of St. Louis Marie Grignon de Montfort, thus entrusting ourselves entirely to the Blessed Virgin Mary, our Mother and model."

The Servants of the Pierced Hearts of Jesus and Mary are sisters of diocesan rite in Florida and they also have a vow of "Total Marian Availability: to be a living image and presence of the Heart of Mary and to generously dispose the potentialities of my feminine genius in loving communion and service of the Petrine principle, thus enfleshing our Marian charism in the Heart of the Church."

The [url="http://www.cmswr.org/member_communities/SMMI.htm"]Sisters Minor of Mary Immaculate[/url] have a fourth vow as well: "A unique characteristic is our Fourth Vow by which we pledge to be at God's disposal, like Mary, without reserve, for the "greatest glory of God" through the salvation of all in Jesus Christ."



Very interesting! I didn't know about these Fourth Vows and I'm glad to know. For the Franciscans of the Immaculate it's a First Vow and it seems that each group that has it phrases it differently. Interesting!

[loveletslive]

is the marian vow the same as the total consecration to mary (st. louis de monfort)?

if so, the dominican sisters of mary mother of the eucharist (i just spent the weekend with them. the sisters are awesome!) do the consecration to mary as a community.

[url="http://sistersofmary.org/"]http://sistersofmary.org/[/url]

[Thomist-in-Training]

[quote name='loveletslive' post='1875370' date='May 25 2009, 11:08 PM']is the marian vow the same as the total consecration to mary (st. louis de monfort)?

if so, the dominican sisters of mary mother of the eucharist (i just spent the weekend with them. the sisters are awesome!) do the consecration to mary as a community.

[url="http://sistersofmary.org/"]http://sistersofmary.org/[/url][/quote]

Nope. Sorry, my post was kind of long but that was sort of my point.

Basically, a Marian Vow is a "bigger, stronger" Consecration to Mary which puts the Consecration on the [i]same level of seriousness[/i] as the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience. So, everyone who has made a Marian Vow is consecrated to Mary, but [b]not [/b]everyone who is consecrated to Mary has made a Marian Vow.

Capisce? (as my mother would say)

[VeniteAdoremus]

Topics like this make me smile because my community has only one vow.

[laetitia crucis]

[quote name='Thomist-in-Training' post='1875367' date='May 26 2009, 12:03 AM']To make a distinction:

One may make the Consecration to Mary. All kinds of people do this and there are different levels of it, with different amounts of public-ness.
One may also make a [i]Vow [/i] of Consecration to Mary, which has a higher meaning and effect than simple Consecration.

The Servants of Mary, Ministers of the Sick list that they have vows of Poverty, Chastity and Obedience [url="http://www.sisterservantsofmary.com/vocations.html"]on this page[/url]. They might have the devotion of [i]consecration [/i]to Mary according to St Louis de Montfort or St Maximilian but unless someone knows more about them than I do, it doesn't seem that they have a [i]vow[/i].

Similarly for the Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church: "The vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience together with our total consecration to Jesus through Mary," so the Consecration is very important to them but not a vow, at least not at this time.


On the other hand,


The Servants of the Lord and the Virgin of Matara do have a "fourth Vow of Marian slavery according to the method of St. Louis Marie Grignon de Montfort, thus entrusting ourselves entirely to the Blessed Virgin Mary, our Mother and model."

The Servants of the Pierced Hearts of Jesus and Mary are sisters of diocesan rite in Florida and they also have a vow of "Total Marian Availability: to be a living image and presence of the Heart of Mary and to generously dispose the potentialities of my feminine genius in loving communion and service of the Petrine principle, thus enfleshing our Marian charism in the Heart of the Church."

The [url="http://www.cmswr.org/member_communities/SMMI.htm"]Sisters Minor of Mary Immaculate[/url] have a fourth vow as well: "A unique characteristic is our Fourth Vow by which we pledge to be at God's disposal, like Mary, without reserve, for the "greatest glory of God" through the salvation of all in Jesus Christ."



Very interesting! I didn't know about these Fourth Vows and I'm glad to know. For the Franciscans of the Immaculate it's a First Vow and it seems that each group that has it phrases it differently. Interesting![/quote]

This answers my question perfectly. I knew the VOW was definitely higher and more binding than the consecration, and I guess I just wanted to know what was out there in this respect. Also, as I'm sure you already know TT , in the FIs decree of Pontifical Rite, it is a "first" for the Church -- to have a religious order with the Marian Vow as their [i]first[/i] vow.

With the SMMI, does anyone know if they were at one time or another associated with the FI? (As I ask this since they have similar habits and both grew out of the Conventuals.)

[the lords sheep]

I thought they were a brother/sister community founded by the same person, but I may be wrong...

[laetitia crucis]

[quote name='the lords sheep' post='1876826' date='May 27 2009, 09:40 PM']I thought they were a brother/sister community founded by the same person, but I may be wrong...[/quote]

The Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate and the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate are a brother/sister "twin" community -- both with the same co-founders (Frs. Stefano M. Manelli, Fi and Gabriel Pelletieri, FI -- sp?) and I believe the same constitutions (with the obvious exceptions of priests' obligations), [i]Traccia Mariana[/i], and [i]Book of Sanctification[/i]. Kind of like the Institute of the Incarnate Word (IVE) and the Servants of the Lord and the Virgin of Matara (SSVM) -- they too, are "twin" communities under the same "twin" Constitutions and founder, Fr. Carlos Buela, IVE. However, the IVE/SSVM make a Fourth Vow of Total Consecration to Mary via de Montfort's method, whereas the FIs are Kolbean.

The Sisters Minor of Mary Immaculate (SMMI)... ....I'm just not really too sure about. All I could find was their CMSWR page, so I don't know much about them or their history. Anyone else know about their history?

[Thomist-in-Training]

Yeah, they're not related to the FI.

[quote]We, the Sisters Minor of Mary Immaculate, were founded by Mother Maria Elisabetta Patrizi, SMMI in Rome, Italy with the assistance of Father Elia M. Bruson, OFM Conv., on August 14, 1983 and canonically erected in that Diocese in 1993.[/quote]

So they've quite distinct founders and started a decade later or so. They do have a related spirituality though it seems from the brief summary there.

[Antigonos]

How did this thread get resurrected, if I may ask?

[beatitude]

15 hours ago, Antigonos said:

How did this thread get resurrected, if I may ask?

The poster has made duplicate posts on any Phatmass thread referencing Patrizi's order. While I recognise and respect that she's in pain, we're not the right place to handle this, as I have already explained to her in the past. We aren't equipped to help her and the topic isn't relevant in a vocation forum, as that order has been suppressed by the Vatican and no one can enter it anyway. As the user has never participated in the community beyond hit-and-run posts, and she hasn't honoured the request to stop, I have restricted her posts. I'd be grateful if people would report any future posts that mention Patrizi.