For All Us Political Fence-straddlers

[FilmGuy127]

I have to agree, there is no amount of legislation that will stop this... the only way is to change the peoples view of it ect... now making it illegal might seriously cut down on the number of abortions, but it might also just make people try and get them in other ways, possibly at a greater threat to the mother, who is determined enough to do it wether its legal or not... no, laws might help... changing attitudes is the only real solution...

[jmjtina]

I don't know how you can "change a person's hearts and attitudes". In regards to abortion, only God can do that. So pray your rosaries.

God didn't make the ten commandments (laws we are to follow) after we had a change of hearts. He made them when we were sinning and we still sin. To say that legislation will do nothing is right, you can lead a horse to the water, but you can't make him drink.

And change your attitude. Abortion will COME to an end in our lifetime. You have to pray, hope and not lose faith. Our Lady will not abandon us or Her children who are murdered by abortion everyday.

[quote]My approach will be to attack the root of the problem which is unwanted pregnancies. Stop unwanted pregnancies and you will stop most all forms of abortion, legal or otherwise.[/quote]

How will you "attack" the unwanted pregnacies? By the pill? To stop an "unwanted" pregnancy sounds alot like using more contraception to me, which is just an abortificient. and how would you do it in a "legal way?"

I'm interested in what "Karr" has to say and what he plans to do.

[quote]but it might also just make people try and get them in other ways, possibly at a greater threat to the mother[/quote]

let's look at the threats now as abortion is legal:

The fact is that though abortion is legal, it is NOT safe and easy, nor respectful of the woman.

Carol Everett used to run an abortion clinic. She is now pro-life, and she tells how women are not given the full truth about the abortion procedure. When they ask "Will it be painful?" they are told "No", even though serious pain is involved. When they ask, "Is it a baby?" they are told "No". Many women have found out only AFTER their abortion that their baby already had arms, legs, and sucked its thumb, before they aborted it. The clinic workers are told not to volunteer any other information if they are not asked. Why can't we respect women enough to tell them the whole truth?

Women are not told of the many harmful physical and psychological effects of abortion. It is NOT safe. There are, for example, fifteen psychological risk factors that need to be investigated before this procedure. They usually aren't. Women who have abortions are twice as likely to have a miscarriage if they get pregnant again. One of the reasons for this is "cervical incompetence". During an abortion the cervical muscle is hastily stretched open, and hence can be rendered too weak to stay closed for another pregnancy. Another complication is ectopic pregnancy, a life-threatening situation in which, due to scar tissue in the womb from the scraping of the abortion, a fertilized ovum is blocked from entering the uterus and so begins growing in the fallopian tube and eventually ruptures it. Since abortion was legalized, ectopic pregnancies have risen 300%. Many other physical complications can arise, as the chart below shows. It has also been proven that complications and deaths of women from abortions are UNDER-REPORTED, and recorded under different causes than abortion.

Psychological effects are also very real. Women suffer from PAS (Post-Abortion Syndrome). They experience "impacted grief"; that is, grief which festers within then like pus because they and others deny that a real death has occurred. Because of this denial, mourning cannot properly occur, yet the pain of loss is still there. Many have flashbacks to the abortion experience, nightmares about the baby, and even pain on the anniversary of the due date. One woman testified that she still suffers from her abortion of 50 years ago! Nobody concerned about women can responsibly dismiss these facts.


[quote]Effects of Abortion

(Prepared by WEBA. Women Exploited by Abortion, as a warning to other women to avoid the risks of abortion surgery)

Physical Effects Psychological Effects

-Sterility -Guilt

-Miscarriages -Suicidal impulses

-Ectopic pregnancies -Mourning/Withdrawal

-Stillbirths -Regret/Remorse

-Bleeding and infections -Loss of confidence

-Shock and comas -Low self-esteem

-Perforated uterus -Preoccupation with death

-Peritonitus -Hostility/Rage

-Fever/Cold sweat -Despair/Helplessness

-Intense pain -Desire to remember birth date

-Loss of body organs -Intense interest in babies

-Crying/Sighing -Thwarted maternal instincts

-Insomnia -Hatred for persons connected with abortion

-Loss of appetite -Desire to end relationship with partner

-Exhaustion -Loss of sexual interest/Frigidity

-Weight loss -Inability to forgive self

-Nervousness -Nightmares

-Decreased work capacity -Seizures and tremors

-Vomiting -Feeling of being exploited

-Gastro-intestinal disturbances -Horror of child abuse [/quote]


What kind of concern for women is shown when we put more stress on killing the child than helping the woman to bear her child? The abortion mentality looks on pregnancy as a disease. It does not take women seriously in their unique privilege and power of bearing new life! Some say that the pro-life movement is run by men trying to control women. But did you ever realize that the abortion industry is run primarily by men, who make a lot of money by performing this degrading operation on women? Abortion does not take sex seriously, either. Instead, it makes it easier for men to exploit women sexually. As Rosemary Bottcher, a Feminist for Life, has written, "Abortion reduces women to the status of sex machines which can be 'repaired' if necessary. Abortion helps ease his (the man's) anxiety about sex and relieves him of the last vestige of responsibility. At last sex is really free!"

Many women are coming to realize these facts, and have formed the National Women's Coalition for Life (703-960-4519). Let's stop fooling ourselves that abortion is a woman's "right". The pro-life movement offers women over 3,000 centers throughout the country where they can find compassion, assistance, and real alternatives and life-giving choices. The abortion movement offers them no choice except a wounded body, a scarred mind, and a dead baby. The choice is obvious.


Peace and God Bless.

[jmjtina]

and that's b/c I'm not even touching his views on homosexual marriage idea's, (which clearly aren't in line with Church teaching) affirmative action, and public school ideas.


God Bless.

[Darren Karr]

I have a question for you. Doesn't god give people free will to make decisions on their own? And doesn't god judge people based on something (I'm not sure what)? Is it a human's place to judge other people for the decisions they make? I really, honestly don't understand the Christian stance based on what I have heard about the religion.

Under my administration, the federal government wouldn’t be able to do much to attack unwanted pregnancies at the root. But I personally would be able to use the bully pulpit to try to get a point across. I would also actively attack poverty which is a huge cause of unwanted pregnancies (the fed can do this to a point) and at the very root of the problem. I'll tell you what I would do if I were Governor of Oregon. I would require any woman accepting welfare to be on some kind of semi-permanent birth control (unless of course it is against the woman’s religion). I would require doctors to tell the parents of a girl under 18 years old if the girl is having sex. I would put very high penalties on delinquent fathers. And other things.

The funny thing about abortion is you can get two completely different stories from each side of the issue. Both sides arguing feel 100% that they are right and if you have the ability to take an objective look at each side, you will find that both have points that make complete sense. For every argument you give from the pro-life side, someone on the pro-choice side can find a counter argument. You don't see that because you refuse to consider that someone else might be right.

This is why the only solution is to go after the unwanted pregnancies.

It doesn’t surprise me that you wont touch my position on homosexual marriage because from what I hear, Catholics are adamantly against homosexuality.

But for the life of me, I can’t figure out why you find my affirmative action and public school policies not to be sound.

Please, call me Darren