dominicansoul Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='fides quarens intellectum' post='1870324' date='May 18 2009, 02:50 PM'][url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5057.html"]yes, i do.[/url] [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4893.html"]didn't you guys read about this?[/url][/quote] exactly what I'm talking about! Looks like there are some who are "conditioned" to believe every word that comes out of that man's mouth... he's a hypocrite... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 +J.M.J.+ [url="http://www.wesleyjsmith.com/blog/2009/05/obama-calls-for-conscience-clause.html"]http://www.wesleyjsmith.com/blog/2009/05/o...nce-clause.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariaane Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1870225' date='May 18 2009, 07:48 PM']He says he will right there in his speech. Do you have reason to think otherwise[/quote] I'm surprised you'd even ask this, considering the vast list of things that Obama has backtracked on, such as the troop withdrawal date from Iraq, not hiring lobbyists, not signing in a bill until the US people had a certain amount of hours to review the bill, the maintaining of an honest and transparent administration- despite most of his team being tax cheats, etc etc and the list goes on [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1870225' date='May 18 2009, 07:48 PM']or are you also conditioned to be against everything Obama, as if there isn't a single thing he can do right?[/quote] He's got good taste in fine dining, I'll concede that. Is that not an example of him doing something right? [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1870225' date='May 18 2009, 07:48 PM']It's the protesteing against Notre Dame outside of the campus that seems to be mostly ignorant of factual information.[/quote] 1. Obama is the most pro abortion president in all of US history. Fact. 2. The document put out by the USCCB in '04 forbids the honouring of individuals who support positions antithetical to the ethos of the Church, as it can cause scandal. Fact. [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1870225' date='May 18 2009, 07:48 PM']Yeah, Notre Dame is now affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention.[/quote] Tell that to the Holy Father and the USCCB. [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1870225' date='May 18 2009, 07:48 PM']Since when were you put in a position to decide which schools are Catholic?[/quote] Since V2 encouraged the active involvement of the laity- within limitation- in the Church. Oh, and Barry Soetoro still hasn't produced the sufficient evidence needed to prove he was born in the US, contrary to popular belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1870176' date='May 18 2009, 11:12 AM']The first question to address is, why was President Obama invited? Most of you probably can't answer that simple question with an educated response, yet you want to tell Pope Benedict XVI, who witnessed the rise and fall of Nazism, how to do his job.[/quote] Judging by the tone I would believe we are all to stupid to know the answer, or rather an educated answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1870225' date='May 18 2009, 09:48 AM']He says he will right there in his speech. Do you have reason to think otherwise, or are you also conditioned to be against everything Obama, as if there isn't a single thing he can do right? The Notre Dame protestors are probably reasonably intelligent... being students at an elite private university. It's the protesteing against Notre Dame outside of the campus that seems to be mostly ignorant of factual information.[/quote] I have every reason in the world to think otherwise... Let me ask you this, why are the protestors outside notre dame protesting? Do you even know? Can you give an educated answer? BTW: If the students, the intellectual elite.... and the alumni.... and the bishops are speaking out against the event? Then why do you speak in favor of it? Our shepherds are leading the sheep publicly for one of the few times they ever do, and you choose not to follow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shpout Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Here is a little something that Archbishop Chaput of Denver wrote: [url="http://www.archden.org/index.cfm/ID/2081"]http://www.archden.org/index.cfm/ID/2081[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hidalgo Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I attended the Rally, and man, that was the most invigorating and motivating movement I have ever been too. I would say there was about 2000 attendees, held on the grounds of ND, and just amazing. The Bishop spoke in support of life, in the evening Fr. Corapi spoke to the seniors in his first public speaking in 2 yrs, and Dr. Allen Keys spoke, as well as Fr. Frank Pavone. The rosary was prayed at the Grotto and the Seniors celebrated down there with a peaceful prayer and their own life filled commencement. And it was the best testament to standing up for your beliefs I have seen. Even 20 faculty members at ND came up to the stage in support of the rally and people just cheered for them. And Im happy to say that we at Spirit Juice Studios are thankful and feel very Blessed to have been invited to film it all. And did the media recognize NDresponse rally? Nope, just promoted Obama. We are about to change that! God Bless. Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 [quote name='Hidalgo' post='1870564' date='May 18 2009, 08:30 PM']I attended the Rally, and man, that was the most invigorating and motivating movement I have ever been too. I would say there was about 2000 attendees, held on the grounds of ND, and just amazing. The Bishop spoke in support of life, in the evening Fr. Corapi spoke to the seniors in his first public speaking in 2 yrs, and Dr. Allen Keys spoke, as well as Fr. Frank Pavone. The rosary was prayed at the Grotto and the Seniors celebrated down there with a peaceful prayer and their own life filled commencement. And it was the best testament to standing up for your beliefs I have seen. Even 20 faculty members at ND came up to the stage in support of the rally and people just cheered for them. And Im happy to say that we at Spirit Juice Studios are thankful and feel very Blessed to have been invited to film it all. And did the media recognize NDresponse rally? Nope, just promoted Obama. We are about to change that! God Bless. Danny[/quote] Can't wait to see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 (edited) [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1870225' date='May 18 2009, 12:48 PM']He says he will right there in his speech. Do you have reason to think otherwise, or are you also conditioned to be against everything Obama, as if there isn't a single thing he can do right? The Notre Dame protestors are probably reasonably intelligent... being students at an elite private university. It's the protesteing against Notre Dame outside of the campus that seems to be mostly ignorant of factual information.[/quote] Well hello Mr. Condescension. While obviously the only reason any us (including a good many priests and bishops) oppose Notre Dame bestowing an honorary degree on Obama is because we're mindless right-wing drones conditioned to oppose his every move, the truth is that Obama's record in both the Illinois State Senate and the US Senate has been 100% pro-abortion. [url="http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm"]You can look it up.[/url] Already, as President, Obama has reversed the Bush administration's Mexico City Policy banning funding of overseas abortion, and signed into law a bill for government funding of embryonic stem-cell research. Even if Obama was telling the truth about "sensible conscience clause," that would hardly make him a friend of the pro-life movement. (And, as shown, the evidence is quite to the contrary, as in reality he has begun work to rescind the conscience clause put in place by the Bush administration.) I find it ironic how the bleeding hearts roundly castigated and ridiculed pro-lifers for taking Obama's campaign promise to sign FOCA into law at face value ("Yeah, politicians will say anything to get a vote"), yet now you criticize us for not taking his words at face value, even when the real factual information strongly suggests otherwise. Seems some on here must have been conditioned to defend Dear Leader's every move and attack any who oppose him as mindless lemmings at every opportunity. . . . Edited May 19, 2009 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1870241' date='May 18 2009, 01:15 PM']where have you been? he flips flops all the time...and if you think it is noble and good of him to create a conscience clause when he had the power to stop tax-payers from paying for abortions, and he has the power to stop FOCA, then you are conditioned to be fooled... are we supposed to praise him for a "conscience clause?" i'm not concerned if "he can do anything right." he has done everything wrong about the life issue, and that is the only thing that concerns me... whether or not he can put pants on you or food on your table doesn't matter to me or fill your car up with gas, or make you laugh, and dance and tell jokes or be an "all right" guy doesn't matter to me, what matters is the life issues... most of the protesters were there for the LIFE issue which is the most important issue of them all...[/quote] Amen! Well-said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 [quote name='Slappo' post='1870460' date='May 18 2009, 05:55 PM']I have every reason in the world to think otherwise... Let me ask you this, why are the protestors outside notre dame protesting? Do you even know? Can you give an educated answer? [/quote] Because they're mindless right-wing lemmings who have been conditioned to oppose Obama's every move, of course. Didn't you get the memo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 (edited) [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1870225' date='May 18 2009, 01:48 PM']He says he will right there in his speech.[/quote] Actions speak louder than words. Edited May 19, 2009 by Norseman82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 [quote name='fides quarens intellectum' post='1870324' date='May 18 2009, 04:50 PM'][url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5057.html"]yes, i do.[/url] [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4893.html"]didn't you guys read about this?[/url][/quote] The second article is dated March 6th, which means it too late (by over a month) to send an e-mail to that address at the end protesting the change. What ended up happening, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 [quote name='Slappo' post='1870460' date='May 18 2009, 07:55 PM']BTW: If the students, the intellectual elite.... and the alumni.... and the bishops are speaking out against the event? Then why do you speak in favor of it? Our shepherds are leading the sheep publicly for one of the few times they ever do, and you choose not to follow?[/quote] I have no problem with our President giving a commencement speech at a Catholic university, especially when said university invites every President to speak. The honorary degree is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1870241' date='May 18 2009, 03:15 PM']where have you been? he flips flops all the time...and if you think it is noble and good of him to create a conscience clause when he had the power to stop tax-payers from paying for abortions, and he has the power to stop FOCA, then you are conditioned to be fooled... are we supposed to praise him for a "conscience clause?"[/quote] A conscience clause is the bare minimum we should expect in a free and democratic society. I wouldn't say it earns him praise any more than a child doing their chores should be anything special. It should simply be expected. [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1870241' date='May 18 2009, 03:15 PM']i'm not concerned if "he can do anything right." he has done everything wrong about the life issue, and that is the only thing that concerns me... whether or not he can put pants on you or food on your table doesn't matter to me or fill your car up with gas, or make you laugh, and dance and tell jokes or be an "all right" guy doesn't matter to me, what matters is the life issues...[/quote] He is our President, so whether we like it or not, we might as well work with the Obama administration as much as possible to get whatever bare minimum of conscience protection, abstinence education, school choice, etc. passed as possible. Not to mention, there are many other ways to fight the pro-life cause besides attacking Roe v. Wade head on. Sometimes the indirect route works when your opponent is focused on protecting against the direct attack. [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1870241' date='May 18 2009, 03:15 PM']most of the protesters were there for the LIFE issue which is the most important issue of them all...[/quote] I would have been there too, if I could have been (though I feel like the role of protesting belongs to students, faculty, and others who are actually part of the Notre Dame community), but I'd be protesting the honorary degree while also helping to ensure a visible pro-life presence. That's the good that comes from events like this... we focus so much on the wrong that we neglect to notice anything good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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