VoTeckam Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 It was so incredibly disheartening to watch President Obama be welcomed and cheered at a ND yesterday despite his fervor for working against the Church. I batteled feelings of despair and betrayal. Was there anything that the local Bishop or the Vatican could have done to stop this? I do not fully understand the relationship between Catholic universities and the Church so I am unsure from where such action would need to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 The school is an independent entity, so no the local bishop cannot stop it, they could only stop themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 The first question to address is, why was President Obama invited? Most of you probably can't answer that simple question with an educated response, yet you want to tell Pope Benedict XVI, who witnessed the rise and fall of Nazism, how to do his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 He was invited in the tradition of inviting sitting presidents to speak at commencement address at Notre Dame. Despite his explicitly anti-Catholic and anti-life policies he was invited to receive an honorary degree at Notre Dame because the school believes his other accomplishments towards the good of society warranted such a gesture. Unless of course, you know better than Father Jenkins on the matter of why he was invited. Why he was invited was already addressed and the reasoning has been rejected by over 50 Catholic bishops. What happened at Notre Dame is clearly scandalous. Only those who do not know the Catholic faith would debate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoTeckam Posted May 18, 2009 Author Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1870176' date='May 18 2009, 01:12 PM']The first question to address is, why was President Obama invited? Most of you probably can't answer that simple question with an educated response, yet you want to tell Pope Benedict XVI, who witnessed the rise and fall of Nazism, how to do his job.[/quote] Judging by the tone of your response I do not think that you understood the intent of my original post. I am not at all angry with anyone in the heirarchy for not interfering. I think the local bishop did all that he could by denouning the invite and by not attending. I was merely asking if there was anything that the Church could have dont, within its power, to stop the appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 (edited) [quote name='VoTeckam' post='1870179' date='May 18 2009, 01:19 PM']Judging by the tone of your response I do not think that you understood the intent of my original post. I am not at all angry with anyone in the heirarchy for not interfering. I think the local bishop did all that he could by denouning the invite and by not attending. I was merely asking if there was anything that the Church could have dont, within its power, to stop the appearance.[/quote] The purpose of my response is to get at the first question "the Church" would have to ask of Notre Dame if they desired to force a change from above, and it's a question that I sense most of the protestors aren't even sure how to answer, which means many don't even know what they should be protesting. They've been conditioned to hate anything associated with Obama from the election and this is just one of many opportunities to manifest it through some sort of action. Nor does anyone consider that there could be genuine value in fostering good relationships with those we disagree with. Did anyone notice that Obama stated that he favors "[url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090517/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_notre_dame"]a sensible conscience clause[/url]" to protect healthcare workers who don't want to be involved in abortion procedures? Of course, no comments about that on phatmass. What "the Church" can do is rather limited... nor is there any reason why the Church needs to have such powers. The Great Commission is one of conversion, which does not occur by commands from above. Edited May 18, 2009 by LouisvilleFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1870187' date='May 18 2009, 11:38 AM']The purpose of my response is to get at the first question "the Church" would have to ask of Notre Dame if they desired to force a change from above, and it's a question that I sense most of the protestors aren't even sure how to answer, which means many don't even know what they should be protesting. They've been conditioned to hate anything associated with Obama from the election and this is just one of many opportunities to manifest it through some sort of action. Nor does anyone consider that there could be genuine value in fostering good relationships with those we disagree with. Did anyone notice that Obama stated that he favors "[url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090517/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_notre_dame"]a sensible conscience clause[/url]" to protect healthcare workers who don't want to be involved in abortion procedures? Of course, no comments about that on phatmass. What "the Church" can do is rather limited... nor is there any reason why the Church needs to have such powers. The Great Commission is one of conversion, which does not occur by commands from above.[/quote] ...obama has no intention of creating a "conscience clause." why would you generalize the protestors as a bunch of mindless drones conditioned to hate? keep drinking that kool-aid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inunionwithrome Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 This is why Nortre Dame is among one of the 20 Catholic Schools that are no longer. They are Planned Parenthood and something else that I forgot right now. They arrested whoever I guess the campus police or somebody a priest for defending life..:0 How horrible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1870205' date='May 18 2009, 02:12 PM']...obama has no intention of creating a "conscience clause." why would you generalize the protestors as a bunch of mindless drones conditioned to hate?[/quote] He says he will right there in his speech. Do you have reason to think otherwise, or are you also conditioned to be against everything Obama, as if there isn't a single thing he can do right? The Notre Dame protestors are probably reasonably intelligent... being students at an elite private university. It's the protesteing against Notre Dame outside of the campus that seems to be mostly ignorant of factual information. [quote name='inunionwithrome' post='1870213' date='May 18 2009, 02:35 PM']This is why Nortre Dame is among one of the 20 Catholic Schools that are no longer. They are Planned Parenthood and something else that I forgot right now. They arrested whoever I guess the campus police or somebody a priest for defending life..:0 How horrible! [/quote] Yeah, Notre Dame is now affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention. Since when were you put in a position to decide which schools are Catholic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1870225' date='May 18 2009, 12:48 PM']He says he will right there in his speech. Do you have reason to think otherwise, or are you also conditioned to be against everything Obama, as if there isn't a single thing he can do right?[/quote] where have you been? he flips flops all the time...and if you think it is noble and good of him to create a conscience clause when he had the power to stop tax-payers from paying for abortions, and he has the power to stop FOCA, then you are conditioned to be fooled... are we supposed to praise him for a "conscience clause?" i'm not concerned if "he can do anything right." he has done everything wrong about the life issue, and that is the only thing that concerns me... whether or not he can put pants on you or food on your table doesn't matter to me or fill your car up with gas, or make you laugh, and dance and tell jokes or be an "all right" guy doesn't matter to me, what matters is the life issues... most of the protesters were there for the LIFE issue which is the most important issue of them all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1870225' date='May 18 2009, 12:48 PM']He says he will right there in his speech.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 I think my fellow student protesters feel that relationships with those we disagree with could be better fostered in some sort of environment of genuine dialogue and not an honor ceremony where the figure is given an award and an open platform to speak. It seems like a clear violation of the USCCB's "Catholics in Political Life." This was an embarrassment to the university and the Church. If you ask me there were no winners yesterday. Those who abstained had their special day ruined while those who attended saw their graduation become a political event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 ...and there's the fact that "dialogue" has been going on for 40 years now! And what is there to talk about? Babies are being murdered. period. Throughout the dialogue, the liberal left continually manipulate the facts, create new words to continue to [i]condition people [/i]into believing that abortion is a right, and is the norm. Being pro-choice is actually the "balanced more compassionate" point of view while the pro-life point of view is the extreme, "hateful" one... obama wishes to reduce the number of abortions? HA! Then quit enabling it, mr prez! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoTeckam Posted May 18, 2009 Author Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1870254' date='May 18 2009, 03:31 PM']obama wishes to reduce the number of abortions? HA! Then quit enabling it, mr prez![/quote] In his speach I think the language he used was to "reduce the number of unwanted pregnanies." To Mr. Obama that means contraception... and people had the nerve to clap. I blame this all on poor formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides quarens intellectum Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1870225' date='May 18 2009, 12:48 PM']He says he will right there in his speech. Do you have reason to think otherwise[/quote] [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5057.html"]yes, i do.[/url] [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4893.html"]didn't you guys read about this?[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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