'jesus In Jeans' Sculpture Unveiled

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='StColette' post='1871921' date='May 20 2009, 01:30 PM']Not to get off topic, which I don't think this does but lol, I think one of my favorite books I read while at Franciscan dealt with the foundations of iconography, "God's Human Face: The Christ Icon" by Schonborn. It definitely taught me a lot about iconography and it's foundation and importance. I would recommend to those that are familiar with iconography and it's foundation.[/quote]
There are several good books on the nature of icons. Below is a brief list of books that I would recommend:

[u]The Mystical Language of Icons[/u]
by Solrunn Nes

[u]Images of the Divine: The Theology of Icons at the Seventh Ecumenical Council[/u]
by Ambrosios Giakalis

[i]I listed both of these books earlier in this thread, but some additional books follow[/i]:

[u]A History of Icon Painting[/u]
by L. Evseyeva

[u]The Uncreated Light: An Iconographical Study of the Transfiguration In the Eastern Church[/u]
by Solrunn Nes

and

[u]The Meaning of Icons[/u]
by Vladimir Lossky and Leonid Ouspensky

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1871298' date='May 19 2009, 08:48 PM']Iconography, according to the Second Council of Nicaea, is a dogmatic issue; as a consequence, every Catholic should care when images are made that do not follow the motifs established by sacred tradition.[/quote]



In fact, under the former prohibitions of books, also were prohibited images of Christ, the Blessed Virgin, and the Saints that were not in accordance with tradition.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

MithLuin, there is something to be said for the fact that most medieval and renaissance clothing at least found its origin in the kinds of robes and such that Jesus would have worn. Pants derive from ancient Germanic garb. I don't know of any paintings of Jesus in pants from the neoclassical period or before.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1871299' date='May 19 2009, 06:52 PM']Click the link below to look at the Google preview of one of the books I mentioned earlier in this thread:

[url="http://books.google.com/books?id=NMKZoy6EJfcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+mystical+language+of+icons#PPA8,M1"][b][u]The Mystical Language of Icons[/u][/b][/url][/quote]
Beginning on page 12 the author points out the theological nature of icons, and how they are meant to convey the doctrine of the Church, and that they are not to be seen as vehicles for the imaginative ideas of the iconographer (i.e., the artist).

Edited May 20, 2009 by Apotheoun

[StColette]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1871958' date='May 20 2009, 04:14 PM']MithLuin, there is something to be said for the fact that most medieval and renaissance clothing at least found its origin in the kinds of robes and such that Jesus would have worn. Pants derive from ancient Germanic garb. I don't know of any paintings of Jesus in pants from the neoclassical period or before.[/quote]

Yeah, I can't think of a single painting of Jesus in pants. Seeing Jesus without robes and in jeans and what looks like a t-shirt makes me not think of Jesus, especially in the priestly since. I have such a connection in my brain with robes and the holy priesthood that to not see Jesus in robes (other than a scene from the Crucifixion) is a little alarming.

[MithLuin]

I agree that I can't think of a portrait of Jesus wearing pants. But in the Rembrandt I linked, other people are wearing hose/pants.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Brother Vinny' post='1869793' date='May 17 2009, 09:56 PM']Does this sound warning bells for anyone but me?

I'm reminded of Fulton Sheen's [i]Life of Christ[/i] (which I promise myself I'm going to finish), where towards the beginning how those on one side of the political divide during the Cold War wanted a cross-less Christ, while those on the other wanted a Christ-less cross. While the latter tends to lead to misplaced faith and hollow sacrifice (in Sheen's example, in and to the Communist State in the then-extant U.S.S.R.), the former leads to a Christ who ". . .is weak, effeminate, with no authority to drive buyers and sellers out of temples, and never speaks of self-discipline, restraint and mortification." Some of us in the West still seem to want this former.

I'm also reminded of St. Paul's words, "For I judged not myself to know anything among you, but Jesus Christ, and him crucified."

Maybe I'm overreacting, though. It is a good thing to be reminded that Christ can and does identify with us, and it isn't as though this is the first time Christ's image has been rendered in terms more identifiable with its intended audience. Christ's suffering shouldn't be avoided, though: it is in our suffering when we most need reminded most that He's able to identify with us.[/quote]
You're not crazy. This is what Sheen was talking about. I remember hearing him talk about the cross without Christ, and conversely on one of his episodes.

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1870024' date='May 18 2009, 12:48 AM']I think it's pathetic.[/quote]
Word.

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1871298' date='May 19 2009, 08:48 PM']Iconography, according to the Second Council of Nicaea, is a dogmatic issue; as a consequence, every Catholic should care when images are made that do not follow the motifs established by sacred tradition.[/quote]
There's something practical about this... the ability to read iconography from the past, that is, congruency.

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1871299' date='May 19 2009, 08:52 PM']Click the link below to look at the Google preview of one of the books I mentioned earlier in this thread:

[url="http://books.google.com/books?id=NMKZoy6EJfcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+mystical+language+of+icons#PPA8,M1"][b][u]The Mystical Language of Icons[/u][/b][/url][/quote]