dominicansoul Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1869924' date='May 17 2009, 10:02 PM']Let's, but to get an accurate we'd have to toss that silly propagandistic narrative out the window first of all. I can't even make sense of that cris crossed logic. You might want to check out the extual powers the Executive branck has though[/quote] you are in such denial... obama has already, by his power, made the murder of children more accessible and paid for by the U.S. taxpayers... maybe you need to check out the powers of the executive branch.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1869966' date='May 17 2009, 10:46 PM']From what I heard of the University President's speech, it seemed like a clear endorsement of Obama. I was very edified and moved to see the protesters, some refusing to recieve their diplomas. I saw one guy, who escorted out, yelling something, with a rosary in his hand. I thought, what a great servant/warrior of Our Lady. I hope he made her proud, cause I sure was. I don't see how such a thing can happen, the only explanation is that they have abandoned their Catholic ideals.[/quote] “Preach the truth as if we had a million voices, for it is silence that kills the world.” --St. Catherine of Siena that's what the protesters did, they stood their ground, and wouldn't go along with this travesty... ...and for that, I am moved and edified by them, too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='reelguy227' post='1869829' date='May 17 2009, 08:18 PM']Words can't describe how sickened I am by what went on at Notre Dame today. It just goes to show that not only the faithful in America, but also the Church, have become lax and much less adamant and strict about their adherence to Church teachings. People just don't care about Church or God anymore...and it's quite sad. The worst and most saddening part of all this is that the USCCB (the Church body that could really have had the biggest impact in the United States) didn't do anything to really condemn or denounce Notre Dame's actions. It was only a few Bishops here and there spread across the country that did that. Whatever....[/quote] +J.M.J.+ it was more than 'just a few bishops here and there'. it was almost 50% of bishops in this country. and since when has the USCCB really done anything effective as a group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 I actually find myself agreeing more with Hassan on this one... there are not going to be any excommunications over this nor should there be. ND will almost certainly not lose its Catholic status nor should it. There are a lot of good Catholic things going on there and I don't think the bishops are too keen on just giving her up for lost because of however many missteps. Giving the president an honorary degree was a stupid and disgusting move but it does not constitute a life lost nor will it convince anybody either way about the right to life issue. It's just frustrating to see at a Catholic school but in the bigger scheme of things it doesn't mean much... the real battles are in the courts, legislatures, outside clinics etc. Let's not get hysterical here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 +J.M.J.+ from a blog i read a lot: [url="http://chicksontheright.com/2009/05/18/just-to-quickly-touch-on-the-whole-notre-dame-thing/"]http://chicksontheright.com/2009/05/18/jus...tre-dame-thing/[/url] [quote]I was once Catholic - that is, I converted in my adult years and practiced Catholicism for several after that. I left the church due to a personal conflict with some various levels of hypocrisy that I witnessed first hand. The experiences I had left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Now, I’m not saying I think the Catholic church smells of elderberries - if I had to pick a church right now to spend my Sunday morning, I’d more than likely pick my local Catholic parish. The priest there is awesome. But, after witnessing a bit of that hypocrisy, it made me want to just walk away for a while. I could go back. I never say never. But then I see stuff like what happened with the commencement address, and I just scratch my head and say, “Really?” and wonder if I ever will, indeed, go back. So, with all that being said, what do I think about Notre Dame not taking a stand, inviting Obama to speak, and then gushing over him like a giddy schoolgirl? I think that Notre Dame failed. Big time. Notre Dame is a CATHOLIC University. One that is supposed to uphold the beliefs of the Catholic church. Just like any human being should do, I think it’s important for any organization to know who they are, embrace it, and not apologize for it. Not only did Notre Dame not embrace their belief that abortion is wrong, but they wallowed in the celebrity of the event. The ate up all the politically-correct croutons. They reveled in the pomp and circumstance and the way it looked as opposed to what the Catholic church truly believes. I think they absolutely sold out. This is what disappointed me personally. And, in my opinion, the event just added fuel to the hypocrisy flames that many people have been fanning on the Catholic church for years now… To add insult to injury, they took it a step further and gave the guy an honorary degree. I mean, fine if you decide you’re going to sell out and let him speak for tradition sake. But to give him the kind of accolades he received and then hand him an honorary law degree? Really? Ben Smith, a Politico blogger, wrote about Michael Sean Winters’ take on the speech after having high hopes for it (Mr. Winters happens to be a liberal Catholic writer): “…the speech handed the President’s opponents plenty of ammunition and showed the extent to which the Obama White House is tone deaf to Catholics and our concerns.” And then there are those who have written novella-like commentary today about how Christian it was of Obama to try to bridge the gap between those who believe in abortion and those who don’t…blah blah. Such a saint he is and all. Whatever. Notre Dame…nice job of selling out. Well done.[/quote] interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1870122' date='May 18 2009, 10:04 AM']+J.M.J.+ it was more than 'just a few bishops here and there'. it was almost 50% of bishops in this country. and since when has the USCCB really done anything effective as a group?[/quote] Thank you for pointing this out Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkers Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Oh no, a Catholic university encouraging constructive dialogue. A nice change from the pointless vitriol you guys constantly puke out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='bonkers' post='1870146' date='May 18 2009, 10:09 AM']Oh no, a Catholic university encouraging constructive dialogue. A nice change from the pointless vitriol you guys constantly puke out.[/quote] um...this was not a debate, it was a commencement. where's the dialogue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkers Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1870147' date='May 18 2009, 11:11 AM']um...this was not a debate, it was a commencement. where's the dialogue?[/quote] Think outside the square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='bonkers' post='1870153' date='May 18 2009, 10:26 AM']Think outside the square.[/quote] i mean, the prez was given the soapbox to say all he wanted to say, there was not going to be any dialogue to counter his words... me thinks you have made a mistake... it wasn't a dialogue....it was a commencement where they honored a rabid pro-death politician.... A commencement is a graduation ceremony...you know, where people gather to receive diplomas and such? a dialogue is where two parties actually come together to discuss issues... this was not an appropriate event for "dialogue..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted May 18, 2009 Author Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='bonkers' post='1870146' date='May 18 2009, 12:09 PM']Oh no, a Catholic university encouraging constructive dialogue. A nice change from the pointless vitriol you guys constantly puke out.[/quote] Yeah, that was constructive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted May 18, 2009 Author Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1870122' date='May 18 2009, 11:04 AM']+J.M.J.+ it was more than 'just a few bishops here and there'. it was almost 50% of bishops in this country. and since when has the USCCB really done anything effective as a group?[/quote] They gave us a really Catholic movie reviews? Oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Seems Fr. Jenkins would rather have a pat on the back from an abortion slinging politician than the Church. He evidently caters to the secular world rather than to truth. Oboma's speach was fluff in general. We can't compromise on the issue of abortion. There is no middle ground to murder. Further, his way of reducing abortions is against teaching as well. I am embarressed about the Catholic crowd. I hear in their voices "crucify him" (not obaoma). Oboma played them for geniuses. Never mentioned whether he should consider that these innocents are human lives or not. I am sure his pay grade is high enough by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Mr. Oboma's underlying premise is that of relativism. How we work thru these problems is to say "can't we all just sing kumbahyah". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Funny, he said that he did not change his position about right wing ideallogs. He is just not going to call them it to their face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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