Death Wins Again

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Brother Vinny' post='1869701' date='May 17 2009, 09:09 PM']Brother Adam,

I guess I'm confused as to who has power and authority on these issues. I understand the local bishop has authority over the priest who presides over Notre Dame, correct? Should the bishop excommunicate the priest? If yes, why doesn't he? And whose decision is it that UND should remain a Catholic university? Finally, at what point would the Pope step in to assert authority?[/quote]

I am not 100% positive on these details, but my understanding is that the superiors of the schools religious order, the local bishop, the Vatican's tribunal, and the Holy Father all have authority some kind of authority over Father Jenkins, but what they can do differs.

I agree the Holy Father likely has bigger fish to fry to be concerned with a US "Catholic" school inviting a pro-death president to speak at a graduation ceremony. Dissent is everywhere, but this is an especially scandalous occurrence so it would be nice if Father Jenkins was at least recalled. I'm not sure under what canon he could be excommunicated, but his censure would show real action on the part of the Church.

If the Church was to recall and/or censure him there would need to be real catechesis taking place, because, the media and liberal Catholics would cry foul and say that the Church was merely shutting down voices of opposition, when rather the Church is acting in its role as protector fending off the wolves dressed in sheep's clothing.

I don't know what the right answer is, accept that I truly believe doing nothing is not the right answer. I am praying that my bishops do the right thing.

[KnightofChrist]

For starters the [i]Honorary[/i] Degree should be made null and void.

Edited May 18, 2009 by KnightofChrist

[Hassan]

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1869831' date='May 17 2009, 10:18 PM']Yes, a priest was arrested on the property of a formerly Catholic school for trespassing by praying on the grounds of a formerly Catholic school. Who decided that a holy priest of God most high was trespassing? Notre Dame officials. Let us realize what actually happened there.[/quote]


Let's, but to get an accurate we'd have to toss that silly propagandistic narrative out the window first of all.

[quote]Even if Notre Dame did not invite Obama because he is prochoice, they trivialized all of the children who have been slaughtered because of the direct decisions of this president. While he may not be directly responsible for all abortions, Obama is responsible for those abortions that would have not happened accept that his decisions made it possible for women to kill their children.[/quote]

I can't even make sense of that cris crossed logic.

You might want to check out the extual powers the Executive branck has though

[reelguy227]

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1869864' date='May 17 2009, 10:29 PM']I agree the Holy Father likely has bigger fish to fry to be concerned with a US "Catholic" school inviting a pro-death president to speak at a graduation ceremony. Dissent is everywhere, but this is an especially scandalous occurrence so it would be nice if Father Jenkins was at least recalled. I'm not sure under what canon he could be excommunicated, but his censure would show real action on the part of the Church.

If the Church was to recall and/or censure him there would need to be real catechesis taking place, because, the media and liberal Catholics would cry foul and say that the Church was merely shutting down voices of opposition, when rather the Church is acting in its role as protector fending off the wolves dressed in sheep's clothing.

I don't know what the right answer is, accept that I truly believe doing nothing is not the right answer. I am praying that my bishops do the right thing.[/quote]


I second that.

[CatholicCid]

[quote name='kamiller42' post='1869733' date='May 17 2009, 07:52 PM']"Fr. John Corapi was present to give a speech as well. "
Anyone happen to record this? I would love to hear it.[/quote]

NDResponse listed him as an official speaker, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had recorded it. Haven't found it online yet, though. I do believe he might have had his own cameras present, so we'll see I'm sure.

[Saint Therese]

From what I heard of the University President's speech, it seemed like a clear endorsement of Obama.
I was very edified and moved to see the protesters, some refusing to recieve their diplomas.
I saw one guy, who escorted out, yelling something, with a rosary in his hand.
I thought, what a great servant/warrior of Our Lady. I hope he made her proud, cause I sure was.

I don't see how such a thing can happen, the only explanation is that they have abandoned their Catholic ideals.

[CatholicCid]

Bishop D'Arcy speaks at Notre Dame
[quote]"It is certainly the place for the bishop to be here," D'Arcy said. "John D'Arcy's not important, but the office of bishop if very important and it must always be like Pope John Paul II to stand up for life all the time, everywhere without exception."[/quote]

[url="http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=16023"]http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=16023[/url]

[princessgianna]

So Death may win the battle

but it lost the war

Keep strong faith in Christ forever for He will come in glory!

Edited May 18, 2009 by princessgianna

[CatherineM]

Just had to sit through the Canadian news casters gushing all over how eloquent Obama was. I want to puke. I'd have thrown something at the TV, but I'd hate to have to buy another one right now. I am officially boycotting the news.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='reelguy227' post='1869829' date='May 17 2009, 10:18 PM']The worst and most saddening part of all this is that the USCCB (the Church body that could really have had the biggest impact in the United States) didn't do anything to really condemn or denounce Notre Dame's actions. It was only a few Bishops here and there spread across the country that did that.[/quote]

Actually, Cardinal George, who is the head of the USCCB, made a statement about Notre Dame forgetting its Catholic identity (or words to that effect), and had to endure a lot of flack in the local media.

Edited May 18, 2009 by Norseman82

[Norseman82]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1870038' date='May 18 2009, 01:07 AM']Just had to sit through the Canadian news casters gushing all over how eloquent Obama was. I want to puke. I'd have thrown something at the TV, but I'd hate to have to buy another one right now. I am officially boycotting the news.[/quote]

If it is any consolation, I watched the CNN coverage, and EWTN's Raymond Arroya completely obliterated Fr. Martin from America magazine in the pre-speech discussion.

Additionally, there were a lot of op-ed pieces (including one by former Clinton Commerce Secretery William Daley) in the local paper pilloring Cardinal Goerge for his comment about Notre Dame forgetting its Catholic identity, but on page 2 there was a very good piece by John Kass in which he defended Cardinal George:

[url="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-notre-dame-15-may15,0,3687487.column"]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columni...,3687487.column[/url]

[Saint Therese]

I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone while watching this spectacle of debasement.

[Nihil Obstat]

Know how they threw shoes at GWB? Let's start a trend of whipping rosaries and scapulars at Obama.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1870070' date='May 18 2009, 02:16 AM']Know how they threw shoes at GWB? Let's start a trend of whipping rosaries and scapulars at Obama. [/quote]

Mary wouldn't like that it would be a waste of a good rosary. It would be better to have Fr. Jerkins removed from his post, and the [i]honorary[/i] degree revoked.

Edited May 18, 2009 by KnightofChrist

[EJames2]

the entire speech at Notre-Dame Univ. in context is at
[url="http://www.gloria.tv/?media=26675"]http://www.gloria.tv/?media=26675[/url]