Brother Adam Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 With the lack of any real action on the behalf of US bishops, Obama strikes a deep blow against the US Church, rendering her effectively neutered on the national culture war. [quote]President Obama used the controversy surrounding his Notre Dame address Sunday as a class lesson on the need to bridge cultural divides in America, as he urged graduates to seek common ground with their peers on hot-button issues. Protesters in the crowd sporadically interrupted Obama's commencement address before they were shouted down by the rest of the graduates. But Obama called for "open hearts, open minds, fair-minded words" in the midst of such lasting debates. He said the issue of abortion stands as the single greatest example of a controversy that tests Americans' ability to respectfully seek common ground. "I do not suggest that the debate surrounding abortion can or should go away. Because no matter how much we may want to fudge it -- indeed, while we know that the views of most Americans on the subject are complex and even contradictory -- the fact is that at some level, the views of the two camps are irreconcilable," Obama said. "Each side will continue to make its case to the public with passion and conviction. But surely we can do so without reducing those with differing views to caricature," he said. The president spoke after receiving an honorary law degree from the university. This move by Notre Dame triggered more protest than its decision to invite him to speak. Notre Dame President Rev. John Jenkins earlier defended the university's decision to invite Obama and honor him with a degree. "We honor all people of good will who have come to this discussion respectfully and out of deeply held conviction," he said.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 [quote name='Brother Adam' post='1869560' date='May 17 2009, 04:26 PM']With the lack of any real action on the behalf of US bishops, Obama strikes a deep blow against the US Church, rendering her effectively neutered on the national culture war.[/quote] And Brother Adam once again demonstrates his deep love of hyperbole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Did Obama say anything of substance in the entire speech? Sounds like a lot of "I'm ok, you're ok, we're all ok." to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 hyperbole is one of my favorite words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 (edited) I am so utterly ashamed. This is yet another defeat in a long line of defeats on the issue of Life that most of the hierarchy refuse just refuse to show up to battle. This is an absolute disgrace to the Church. It will help to vastly increase the preexisting mass confusion amongst Catholics on the issue of Life. If I am be honest such actions, or should I say such inaction test my faith in the Church today. Liberals in the Church seem to be allowed to just do what ever the holly jolly they want, Church Teaching, and Church Law be d[color="#000000"]a[/color]mned. But there always seems to be swift and powerful action taken against Traditionalist be it just or unjust. I am frankly very confused about my trust in the majority of the US hierarchy for allowing such an clear violation of Church teaching and law to take place. Some one please tell me I'm crazy and my fears are unfounded. Edited May 17, 2009 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Well knightofchrist, what can I say? You arent crazy. This might sound stupid but my new mantra is 'Everything That Rises Must Converge' It sounds stupid, but God will and for that matter must eventually answer all the sincere prayers which Rise up to Him like incense for the end of abortion and for a pro-life president. It is Justice and it will eventually happen at some coordinate in the future of this nation, in spite of how bad things look today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1869571' date='May 17 2009, 01:47 PM']I am frankly very confused about my trust in the majority of the US hierarchy for allowing such an clear violation of Church teaching and law to take place. Some one please tell me I'm crazy and my fears are unfounded.[/quote] US Church hierarchy or US Government hierarchy? The Church spoke out very strongly against this. The Church bishops in the US were some of the most adamant. I think as a whole our bishops are speaking out very well lately on important issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 I disagree. Obama is nothing. Everything he says is nothing. Everything he does is nothing. The real story is the poll showing that for the first time since Roe v Wade, the American public is more pro-life than pro-death. The war for life will not be won in the White House, the courtroom, or the media. It will be won in the hearts of the American people. Even if abortion stays legal, it is of naught if the law sits unused and the abortion industry one day folds due to lack of customers. Everyone put down the kool-aid, turn off the TV, and load your weapon - your rosary. We are winning the war. Slowly, with millions of innocent unborn casualties, but we are winning. The blood of the innocents cries out for vengeance. They will have it, but not in this lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 [quote name='Slappo' post='1869580' date='May 17 2009, 04:58 PM']US Church hierarchy or US Government hierarchy? The Church spoke out very strongly against this. The Church bishops in the US were some of the most adamant. I think as a whole our bishops are speaking out very well lately on important issues.[/quote] I was confused about that part too. It is interesting to see how the Bishops are beginning to become more vocal. I think it is in reaction or in inverse proportion to the many evils occuring in our country which have been spiralling downward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted May 17, 2009 Author Share Posted May 17, 2009 Remember that the Church is Israel with Christ. Grace is all that separates our own stupidity and that of those of the old covenant. One nave filled with sheep and goats. There are good bishops and evil bishops. Thank God the sacraments are effective ex opere operato. While we are much better off than other times in history, like during the Arian crisis, I do believe this occassion of dissent was important enough to warrant actual action instead of words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 [quote name='Groo the Wanderer' post='1869584' date='May 17 2009, 03:03 PM']I disagree. Obama is nothing. Everything he says is nothing. Everything he does is nothing. The real story is the poll showing that for the first time since Roe v Wade, the American public is more pro-life than pro-death. The war for life will not be won in the White House, the courtroom, or the media. It will be won in the hearts of the American people. Even if abortion stays legal, it is of naught if the law sits unused and the abortion industry one day folds due to lack of customers. Everyone put down the kool-aid, turn off the TV, and load your weapon - your rosary. We are winning the war. Slowly, with millions of innocent unborn casualties, but we are winning. The blood of the innocents cries out for vengeance. They will have it, but not in this lifetime.[/quote] +J.M.J.+ Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 (edited) I saw the coverage on CNN. I was amazed that the Notre Dame president spun the controversy as "Obama came to speak despite the fact he knows we oppose his policies on abortion". Unbelievable. [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1869569' date='May 17 2009, 04:47 PM']Did Obama say anything of substance in the entire speech? Sounds like a lot of "I'm ok, you're ok, we're all ok." to me.[/quote] The only thing that made my ears take notice was that Obama said he would support a conscience clause. However, as with everything, actions speak louder than words. Edited May 17, 2009 by Norseman82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 If a white President were to use the same logic in regards to slavery, he would've been stoned to death. Why is it okay then to "respectfully disagree" about abortion, which is the killing of a [b]completely, innocent, human lifeform?[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 [quote name='Norseman82' post='1869592' date='May 17 2009, 06:14 PM']The only thing that made my ears take notice was that Obama said he would support a conscience clause. However, as with everything, actions speak louder than words.[/quote] Didn't he stop such a clause though? Or was that something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 [quote name='Slappo' post='1869580' date='May 17 2009, 03:58 PM']US Church hierarchy or US Government hierarchy? The Church spoke out very strongly against this. The Church bishops in the US were some of the most adamant. I think as a whole our bishops are speaking out very well lately on important issues.[/quote] I know that a number of Bishops spoke out. But none took any real action against this debacle. Yes I agree that it is good that the are speaking up. They only need to add teeth to their words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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