Livin_the_MASS Posted March 27, 2004 Author Share Posted March 27, 2004 They are human, if anything I would say they may have to spend so time in purgatory, but to say there in this state of this happiness is crazy. God came to save us! He gave us free wills. If we are unable to use our free wills or we don't have someone taking care of us to make the decision for us than thats different. God has bigger plans than limbo! Think about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 [quote name='Jason' date='Mar 27 2004, 01:53 PM'] They are human, if anything I would say they may have to spend so time in purgatory, but to say there in this state of this happiness is crazy. God came to save us! He gave us free wills. If we are unable to use our free wills or we don't have someone taking care of us to make the decision for us than thats different. God has bigger plans than limbo! Think about it! [/quote] I agree, the limbus patrem was not pure nature, it was a grace in view of the future fullness of Christ, it was not an eternal state and it was not in antithesis with grace. And a supposed natural happiness implies that human nature can attain a state of beatitude apart from grace, this is sheer nonsense. Our nature is ordered toward grace and a privation of this is the very definition of torment and hell fire. An eternal state of natural privation and unfulfillment. Besides the fact that it sets up a dichotomy between nature and grace which is artificial. Either the souls are seperated from God and are thus in hell (Augustine was consistent here), or else they participate in the Divine Life and are fulfilled (heaven). Purgatory is not eternal and includes grace. The fact that limbo is supposedly eternal is problematic, the assertion that limbo is pure nature is problematic, the idea that nature infected with original sin is intrinsically contrary to grace is problematic. Even fallen human nature is in the image of God. The famous words of Augustine, "Our hearts are restless until they rest in Thee", seemed to have slipped his mind when he was speculating on this matter, or perhaps not and that is why he placed these souls in hell. Either the babes are raised with Christ and participate in His Mystery and in His Mystical Body, or they are damned. Supposedly neither are possible, but I fail to see the alternative. The first choice seems far, far more likely given God's goodness and power, the efficacy of Christ's Atonement and the babies' utter innocence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 27, 2004 Author Share Posted March 27, 2004 (edited) So we agree ? Edited March 27, 2004 by Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 LD I think you have been reading to much De Lubac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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