Livin_the_MASS Posted March 27, 2004 Author Share Posted March 27, 2004 How can you guys speak of a place of natural happiness? What hope is there in that? Our Lord conquered death and is preparing a place for us in Heaven, if we follow His commands! I'm sorry but what speak goes against the hope of the Gospel and the Church. To say that is . Natrual happiness? For Eterinty? I've got more hope than that. Plus the Church has not taught that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 Were these posts intended for me Jason? I was basically agreeing with you. The differences between the limbo of the fathers and the limbo of infants are quite significant. I consider it something of a cop out to try and doctor the concept of the limbo of the fathers to explain the fate of dead infants. I don't think its valid for a number of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 27, 2004 Author Share Posted March 27, 2004 No, it was for popestpiusx! With charity. I was using cap lock because I wanted to get the point across. The Catholic Church Teaches the Last things after Judgement are Heaven, Hell, Purgatory. God Bless, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 [quote]Doctrine stays the same. It just blossoms. [/quote] Mormon's have that same trouble....grin. They call it new revelations. Protestants call that, MAN MUCKING THINGS UP. That is what happens with an open ended Canon. Only things are added, then redefined, then retracted...while all the time, making the outrageous claim that Truth is constant. Ha. Make Cardinal Newman a Saint. NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 So if it is not in the catachism, it is not an official teaching? Hogwash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 [quote name='Bruce S' date='Mar 27 2004, 12:18 PM'] Mormon's have that same trouble....grin. They call it new revelations. Protestants call that, MAN MUCKING THINGS UP. That is what happens with an open ended Canon. Only things are added, then redefined, then retracted...while all the time, making the outrageous claim that Truth is constant. Ha. Make Cardinal Newman a Saint. NOW. [/quote] I fail to see the point of so many of your posts Bruce. They are often mere displays of ignorance and spitefulnes. If you have a legitimate question or misunderstanding by all means post! But this type of thing is neither constructive, charitable, polite or appropriate. I'm tempted to reply, but such a post lacks dignity and thus I cannot bring myself to engage it. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 Brother Adam: You are running into the "Newman Effect" That is the RIGHT that Catholics claim to always being right, BUT when proven wrong, the PERSON .. even if a Pope, or even a Council is WRONG, never the "Church" the CHURCH is always right, just her spokespersons who are wrong. However, the NOW.. and we are ALWAYS IN THE NOW, they are right. See? The CIA took this one from the Jesuit's refined it into the doctrine of Plausible Deniability. That way, everyone is ALWAYS right in the NOW, no matter how wrong in the THEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 27, 2004 Author Share Posted March 27, 2004 You guys just want to and I don't want to! The CCC goes right next to the Bible! They do not contradict each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Mar 27 2004, 12:18 PM'] So if it is not in the catachism, it is not an official teaching? Hogwash. [/quote] If something has not been taught as a definitive doctrine through the ordinary magisterium or through the extraordinary magisterium it is not an official doctrine. Sorry. Theological opinions and speculations, even if they enjoy popularity at one time, are not official teachings of the Church. It's pretty simple really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 The CCC is commentary. Nothing more, nothing less. And the CCC ***ITSELF*** needed to be completely revised in the not-so-distant past. Of course, which CCC is NOW RIGHT, the NEW RIGHT ONE, or the OLD RIGHT ONE? See? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 27, 2004 Author Share Posted March 27, 2004 Bruce you try so hard don't you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 For example, if you read the medievals you will find many different speculations and theories regarding the angels in Heaven. And even if a particular theory regarding the angels appears in old theology books or even certain local catechisms, this does not mean it is a part of the deposit of Faith and is something Catholics have ever been bound to believe. More concretely, St. Thomas proposed a number of theories regarding the Holy Angels. One can be a Franciscan and speculate more on Bonaventurian terms and postulate things such as spiritual matter, which would be repulsive to a Thomist, yet both are approaches are orthodox because they are theories and speculations which reside within the bounds of the Church's official teachings, namely withing the revealed truths which are in themselves the bounds of orthodoxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 [quote]Sorry. Theological opinions and speculations, even if they enjoy popularity at one time, are not official teachings of the Church. It's pretty simple really. [/quote] They WERE "Official" teachings of the church THEN, are NOT NOW, can't you SEE the utter circularity of this line of thought? Everyone not a Catholic Church can, quite clearly. IF SOMETHING IS TAUGHT AS TRUE, it is assumed by the person in the pew to BE TRUE, and for all extents and purposes is the TRUTH to the average run of the mill Catholic. Glad we are NOT tied to this utter need to be always right, OUR theolgians are NEVER assumed to be "right" they are just doing the best they can. And, imagine ... we are comfortable with that too! Sheesh, rolling doctrines are dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 [quote name='Bruce S' date='Mar 27 2004, 12:24 PM'] The CCC is commentary. Nothing more, nothing less. And the CCC ***ITSELF*** needed to be completely revised in the not-so-distant past. Of course, which CCC is NOW RIGHT, the NEW RIGHT ONE, or the OLD RIGHT ONE? See? [/quote] Read the introduction to the Catechism, it explains what it is rather well. It is certainly more than a commentary. And you can't ask which CCC is right. The Catechism of the Council of Trent is still in use and is just as true as it was 500 years ago. But the two catechisms address completely different things. The new catechism is geared toward the modern world and discusses things that were not issues or did not even exist when Trent's CCC was promulgated. For example things like abortion, modern social issues, atheism, etc.. It is a different articulation of the same Catholic Faith. I would recommend reading both. The Trent CCC was drafted with the crisis of the time in mind, namely the protestant revolt, so it may appeal to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 27, 2004 Author Share Posted March 27, 2004 How many time do we have to say DOCTINE DOESN'T CHANGE, it blossoms. Do you not understand this Bruce? Love, young pup he he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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