IcePrincessKRS Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 If you're going to quote CCC paragraph quote the whole thing and get it in context! [quote]2267 Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined,[b] the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor. [/b] If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person. Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically non-existent."[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 AHHH! I knew we where missing something! Thanks princess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 You're welcome. lol Do you honestly think I'd support the DP even a smidgen if there weren't more to it? I'm not recklessly swinging my axe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Amen Sister! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 I can tell you one thing, I think me and you have been back and forth for sometime. I don't want to upset you. Lets just leave it at, that you feel the way you do and I feel the I do. I'm not going against Christ's One True Catholic Church or the CCC or Pope JPII! I'm not judging anyone either, if I have come across that way I'm sorry. I just don't agree with the death penalty. I would never put myself in the judgement seat. Anyway I think I know you now! he!he! Like you said before on an earlier post today, that when people type stuff someone on the other end could be looking at it differently. My fingers are about to fall off! If it helps you can do this to me :squash: Smiles In the Love of Christ, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Jason you are good peoples. God Bless you Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 [quote name='Jason' date='Mar 28 2004, 01:27 AM'] I can tell you one thing, I think me and you have been back and forth for sometime. [/quote] Yes, lol we have! [quote]I don't want to upset you. Lets just leave it at, that you feel the way you do and I feel the I do.[/quote] I can deal with that. [quote]I'm not going against Christ's One True Catholic Church or the CCC or Pope JPII![/quote] Nope, we both just hold different views that are both perfectly acceptable within the bounds of Church teaching. [quote]I'm not judging anyone either, if I have come across that way I'm sorry. I would never put myself in the judgement seat. Anyway I think I know you now! he!he![/quote] Ditto. I am glad we did have our "squabble", I think it cleared the matter on where we both stand and cleared up any misconceptions either of us had about the other's position. [quote]Like you said before on an earlier post today, that when people type stuff someone on the other end could be looking at it differently.[/quote] Ain't that the truth! [quote]If it helps you can do this to me :squash: [/quote] Nah, I think I'll spare you this time. God Bless you Jason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azriel Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 man. I'm feeling the love! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 CCC 2267 is NOT an ABSOLUTE prohibition against the death penalty. As far as to what constitutes the rare case, who is in a better position to decide? Those who spend months reviewing and analyzing the evidence, or somebody thousands of miles away who doe snot have all the files and case history in front of them. I agree there are abuses and I am very skeptical of the death penalty ever since the Rolando Cruz case in Illinois. But that does not make the death penalty [i]intrinsically[/i] evil, and I never recall the Church saying that it is intrinsically evil. I will throw this into the mix: if you are counting on a life sentence to protect society from the criminal, what happens when you get a wacko judge that will release the criminal because the jail is in the migratory path of fruit flies? I know the last line may sound stupid, but many may not realize that Charles Manson gets parole hearings every two years or so. So much for counting on life imprisonment to protect us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 I changed my opinion folks. I now believe the death penalty to be inhumane. I say we throw these people in prison to be sodomized by Bubba for 30 years. Now that is humane, right. I personally think all child molesters and child muderers should be released into the general prison population. That is called "indirect capital punishment". Saves the state and taxpayers some money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 Being as I just stumbled upon this thread and it's been debated to death, I won't debate, but simply state my opinion. I don't believe in the death penalty. It is probably more of a punishment to spend the rest of your life in a cell. Also, as has been stated before, maybe that person will repent after 40 or 50 years..you never know. I feel it is not my place to judge whether or not someone else should die, even if their crimes were atrocious. Just my 02 cents. God Bless, Carrie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catholic_4_Life Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 [quote name='Carrie' date='Mar 28 2004, 07:29 PM'] I don't believe in the death penalty. It is probably more of a punishment to spend the rest of your life in a cell. [/quote] Ah yes, at the expense of the taxpayers. :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 I just posted this in the other thread debating the same thing. I'll post it here for your consideration: We have wonderful opinions being offered against Capitol punishment, however, no one seems to be trying to root them in Church teaching. The fact is that the Church has always defended the right of the state to execute, and still does. They have simply put limitations on it. Yes, the Holy Father is personally opposed to it. That is quite irrelevant as it is a peronal opinion and not a binding Church teaching. There was an excellent debate last year or two years ago in the National Catholic Register between Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, Dr. Charles Rice, Cardinal Avery Dulles, and Fr. George Rutler. I have provided the link, it is most enligtening. Rutler and Scalia are for it, Dulles was in the middle and Rice was against it. Rutler's is there first, but his did not come first. I don't remember the exact order but it is probably better to read them as they came. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 Oops!! I forgot to put the link on there. Here it is: [url="http://www.ncregister.com/Register_News/031902rut.htm"]http://www.ncregister.com/Register_News/031902rut.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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