Livin_the_MASS Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Mar 27 2004, 07:04 PM']Is this replying to my question? If so, I still fail to see how life in prison is a better option if the person is still a threat to the other inmates and prison guards.[/quote] CCC 267 [quote]Today in fact, as a consequence of the possibilites which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm---without definitively taking---the case in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity [b][u]"are very rare, if not practically non-existent."[/u][/b][/quote] Does this help. Mercy is the message here. NON-EXISTENT! In the love of Christ, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Did this help IcePrincessKRS? Bump! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 "very rare, if not practically non-existant" doesn't equal "non-existant." I agree that the case where DP is absolutely necessary is rare. What I want to know is WHAT constitutes a grave enough case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 those who are murdered in prison beg to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 I can't be the judge of that! Are you getting my point of veiw at all? Now it's different if someone broke into my house, I would do what ever it takes to protect my family. But for a criminal that is already in custody and under control, That is not harming anyone, how can we say death? Mercy! Are you getting me? God Bless You, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 [quote]2267 Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor. If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person. Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically non-existent." [/quote] The full context of CCC paragraph 2267. If non-lethal means are not enough to prevent an inmate from harming other inmates and prison guards, does that constitute a grave enough reason to use the DP? I get the point of showing mercy (I should, you've all said it enough! ) but just saying "Mercy is the message!" really doesn't answer the question. I get it IF the inmate is under control, but what if he is NOT under control? Thats the whole point of my question from the first time I asked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 (edited) [quote]Are you getting my point of veiw at all?[/quote] Yes, lol. And I reject it. Edited March 28, 2004 by Brother Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Mar 27 2004, 07:36 PM'] Yes, lol. And I reject it. [/quote] You have used you free will. I have used mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 You Baptist you. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 You try so hard don't you bro adam! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Just joshin' ya bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 IcePrincessKRS, Please read [url="http://www.usccb.org/sdwp/national/criminal/death/mahony1.htm"]THIS,[/url] it will help. It is long, at least read the conclusion! This will Help, God Bless Post me back when your done!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Mar 27 2004, 08:25 PM'] Just joshin' ya bro. [/quote] me to bro!!! lol God Bless Ya!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Bump for IcePrincess!! If your out there! Peace! Read article above! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 I read most of the article. I did read the entire conclusion, though. (Baby is being a pickle, so its a little difficult to get through long things like that and keep her happy at the same time.) Its a good article, and I don't necessarily disagree with it... but it still doesn't quite answer my question. I may have to go back and read it all when I get the chance, if somewhere it did answer it and I didn't catch that part (due to pickle-girl acting up). Was there some specific points you wanted me to make special note of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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