popestpiusx Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 [quote name='MrsFrozen' date='Mar 29 2004, 02:07 PM'] Those for the death penalty can't call themselves pro-life! We as humans have no right to take a life. That is the job of God and God only. Jesus teaches us to love our enemies. He does not teach an eye for an eye. We do have a right, however, to punish them accordingly for their crime. Personally, I think those who take lives should be put in solitary confinement with nothing to read but a Bible, and no one to talk to but a priest! Too harsh? I don't think do. We'd have a lot less killing going on, and a lot more Chrisians! God bless. [/quote] This completely ignores the constant teaching of the Church. I suppose we are to conclude that St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Bernard of Clairvoix, countell other saints and doctors, as well as Popes and Councils were not pro-life. What a revelation!! Can someone plese address this question from a Catholic standpoint? That is to say, can someone please defend their anti-death penalty position using the actual teachings of the Church instead of their own emtion driven assesment (as valuable as that may be)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catholic_4_Life Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 [quote name='Jason' date='Mar 29 2004, 01:04 PM'] I vote back alley to many opinions. Endless battle. That just my opinion, Hey I was on the other page and I thought I seen me but it wasn't me???? Someone else is using the same picture as me. lol [/quote] Yeah...sorry about that Jason...I am still trying to find one that "fits" me. I saw this one and thought "Knights of Columbus"...so it fit. I'm still searching! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 [quote name='Azriel' date='Mar 29 2004, 01:00 PM'] I was asked to move this once. I don't want to. Its bordering on debate though. So do ya'll want me to move it or not? It can go to debate or if it gets nasty, it can go to the Alley. [/quote] For the sake of non-Catholics involved in this discussion: Please, if it has to be moved, move it to the Debate Board, so that those who are not Catholic and are involved in this discussion will still be able to post and participate. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 (edited) [quote]Can someone plese address this question from a Catholic standpoint?[/quote] I'm Catholic and I already did?! Edited March 29, 2004 by Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 [quote name='Catholic_4_Life' date='Mar 29 2004, 01:34 PM'] Yeah...sorry about that Jason...I am still trying to find one that "fits" me. I saw this one and thought "Knights of Columbus"...so it fit. I'm still searching! [/quote] Thats ok we will be twins, he! he! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 May I ask: Where does this 'right to life' come from anyways? Where are we given the right to have life? Much less to say who can do what? If we follow Biblical teachings, then we cannot condemn the Death Penalty. In both the new and old testaments, the death penalty is used by both humans and God Himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 [quote name='Jason' date='Mar 29 2004, 02:35 PM'] I'm Catholic and I already did?! [/quote] A catholic simply stating that it is wrong is not what I (or anyone else I know) would call a Catholic defence. I am Catholic as well and am defending the death penalty. That fact in itself does not make it a catholic defence. What are we using to defend our positions? This is where the arguments rise or fall. Church teaching or emotion?? I am providing 2000 years of Church teaching in favor of the death penalty. What does the other side have?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 [quote]In the Catholic Church, teaching on the death penalty has developed over time. For centuries, the Church accepted the right of the state to take a life in order to protect society. But over time and in the light of new realities, Catholic teaching now recognizes that there are non-violent means to protect society and to hold offenders accountable. Church teaching now clearly argues for the abolition of capital punishment.[/quote] What about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catholic_4_Life Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 [quote name='Jason' date='Mar 29 2004, 01:36 PM'] Thats ok we will be twins, he! he! [/quote] Too Late!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 [quote name='Catholic_4_Life' date='Mar 29 2004, 01:47 PM'] Too Late!! [/quote] he!he! Good one I Like!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 popestpiusx, I already went through this with I P I feel the way I feel. It is not going against the Catholic Church to not be for the death penalty, I'm against it! I will not post no more on this subject so like Mrs. Bro. Adam said they can have time to talk it over. God Bless, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 [quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Mar 29 2004, 01:38 PM'] May I ask: Where does this 'right to life' come from anyways? Where are we given the right to have life? Much less to say who can do what? If we follow Biblical teachings, then we cannot condemn the Death Penalty. In both the new and old testaments, the death penalty is used by both humans and God Himself. [/quote] You know....I have yet to see [b]one[/b] of my questions answered.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catholic_4_Life Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 [quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Mar 29 2004, 01:54 PM'] You know....I have yet to see [b]one[/b] of my questions answered.... [/quote] I'm not the greatest are answering doctornal (correct statement?) questions, therefore I don't feel comfortable in answering. I hope someone does though...I am interested in hearing what they say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 (edited) [quote]May I ask: Where does this 'right to life' come from anyways? Where are we given the right to have life? Much less to say who can do what? If we follow Biblical teachings, then we cannot condemn the Death Penalty. In both the new and old testaments, the death penalty is used by both humans and God Himself.[/quote] Where is the death penalty used under the New Covenant? Who gave the order to kill in the Old Testament and how did it take place? What about Jesus and the adulteress? Edited March 29, 2004 by Brother Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 [quote name='Jason' date='Mar 29 2004, 02:46 PM'] What about this? You state, "But over time and in the light of new realities, Catholic teaching now recognizes that there are non-violent means to protect society and to hold offenders accountable. Church teaching now clearly argues for the abolition of capital punishment." I ask, where does Church teaching argue for the abolition of capital punishment? What new realities? Did man change? Did criminals change? Even in the olden days they had prisons that were virtually inescapable (Island prisons etc.). You have merely stated that there has been a development of Church teaching according to new realities. Provide some evidence to back up these assertions. [/quote] What about what? You make an assertion without backing it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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