Job's Daughters

[princessgianna]

So I was in this Jane Austen class! One of the girls -I became friends with. Sweet girl -we had alot in common. Well today I was given an invitation to this "coronation". She explained that she belonged to this group called "Job Daughters" -This girl was elected to be queen for 6 months. I was looking at though was skeptical because it includes a free dinner and seemed to be pretty lavish just for a 6 month period and to be open for a friend(me) though not THAT close to be invited. I was going to my Japanese class so I took a quick glance at the invitation and threw it in my purse. When I got home I realized that it was being held at a Local Masonic Temple! Well even if this was just "being held" there. I don't think I could still go! Only understanding a little bit about the Masons-I know that a good Catholic CANNOT be part of anything they do.

So I am just looking for advice. Obviously I can't go even if the alternative was staying at home with no phatmass ([i]the horror the horror[/i]) However I need to call her and tell her. So I want to completely honest to why I can't come!

what should I say?

Thanks

PG

[CatherineM]

I got invited to join that when I was in high school. My mom's dad was a master mason. When my dad asked our pastor about it, he practically said I'd be excommunicated if I went near them. I know that isn't so, but you can't go.

Just tell them that Catholics aren't allowed to join masonic groups, but you wish them the best because you know that the organization does a lot of good works.

[puellapaschalis]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1867790' date='May 15 2009, 06:30 AM']Just tell them that Catholics aren't allowed to join masonic groups, but you wish them the best because you know that the organization does a lot of good works.[/quote]

Verbum.

I've come across them before; the people I met were lovely and quite understanding about things.

[princessgianna]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1867790' date='May 14 2009, 11:30 PM']I got invited to join that when I was in high school. My mom's dad was a master mason. When my dad asked our pastor about it, he practically said I'd be excommunicated if I went near them. I know that isn't so, but you can't go.

Just tell them that Catholics aren't allowed to join masonic groups, but you wish them the best because you know that the organization does a lot of good works.[/quote]
It was invitation to join it was just for some celebration -though do I understand correctly that I still can not go?

Just wondering thanks!

[CatherineM]

That's a fine line. Some of the other girls joining were good friends of mine. I couldn't join the organization, nor go to their regular meetings, but I went sometimes when they had a service project. I remember helping to paint a little old lady's house and cleaning a city park up. They had an awards banquet kind of thing, that I didn't go to. It's hardly a cult, but you can use your common sense about what to attend. If you are the kind who has trouble saying no, then it might be best to avoid it all. If you are the kind who can pass on things easily, even when it is your friends doing it, then use your best judgment. Some it depends on how your friends are, whether they can no for an answer.

[SaintOlaf]

Politely decline the invitation if you feel uncomfortably about it, but then extend her an invitation to a crowing of Mary at some point this month (it is after all, May)

[princessgianna]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1868680' date='May 16 2009, 11:15 AM']That's a fine line. Some of the other girls joining were good friends of mine. I couldn't join the organization, nor go to their regular meetings, but I went sometimes when they had a service project. I remember helping to paint a little old lady's house and cleaning a city park up. They had an awards banquet kind of thing, that I didn't go to. It's hardly a cult, but you can use your common sense about what to attend. If you are the kind who has trouble saying no, then it might be best to avoid it all. If you are the kind who can pass on things easily, even when it is your friends doing it, then use your best judgment. Some it depends on how your friends are, whether they can no for an answer.[/quote]

they aren't that close. However we just met and started talking so
I want to follow the Church!

thank you!

[quote name='SaintOlaf' post='1868684' date='May 16 2009, 11:24 AM']Politely decline the invitation if you feel uncomfortably about it, but then extend her an invitation to a crowing of Mary at some point this month (it is after all, May)

[/quote]
I like that alot!

[MithLuin]

A coronation is a ritual, not just a social event. I would think that, in good conscience, you would not be able to attend. As [b]Catherine M[/b] pointed out, doing service work with these girls would not be inappropriate.

[url="http://www.stichtingargus.nl/vrijmetselarij/iojd_r.html"]HERE[/url] is what purports to be the initiation rite for the Job's Daughters group.

[quote]Every Job’s Daughter is related to a Master Mason. Because
of this relationship, a strong tie exists between the Masonic
Fraternity and Job’s Daughters; this is our Masonic Heritage.
When you are initiated into Job’s Daughters, you promise that
you will be guided by the same principles of “The Golden Rule”
that all Masons believe in.

[url="http://www.iojd.org/LeadershipTraining/LeadershipLibrary/SPCInitiateHandbook2.PDF"]http://www.iojd.org/LeadershipTraining/Lea...teHandbook2.PDF[/url][/quote]

The are definitely part of the Masons, and the queen is basically the president of that chapter. So, attending a coronation would (in some ways) be taking part. Politely declining for reasons of your own faith is probably the best way to handle this. Doesn't mean you can't be friends with this girl and spend time with her!

[princessgianna]

[quote name='MithLuin' post='1868837' date='May 16 2009, 02:39 PM']A coronation is a ritual, not just a social event. I would think that, in good conscience, you would not be able to attend. As [b]Catherine M[/b] pointed out, doing service work with these girls would not be inappropriate.

[url="http://www.stichtingargus.nl/vrijmetselarij/iojd_r.html"]HERE[/url] is what purports to be the initiation rite for the Job's Daughters group.



The are definitely part of the Masons, and the queen is basically the president of that chapter. So, attending a coronation would (in some ways) be taking part. Politely declining for reasons of your own faith is probably the best way to handle this. Doesn't mean you can't be friends with this girl and spend time with her![/quote]

Well thank you for your advice and for pointing out links (kind of scary to read).

Thanks again!

Edited May 16, 2009 by princessgianna

[kafka]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1867790' date='May 15 2009, 12:30 AM']I got invited to join that when I was in high school. My mom's dad was a master mason. When my dad asked our pastor about it, he practically said I'd be excommunicated if I went near them. I know that isn't so, but you can't go.

Just tell them that Catholics aren't allowed to join masonic groups, but you wish them the best because you know that the organization does a lot of good works.[/quote]


What havent you seen or heard or done?

[CatherineM]

[quote name='kafka' post='1868894' date='May 16 2009, 03:52 PM']

What havent you seen or heard or done?

[/quote]

Just wait until your my age, and people will ask you the same thing. I've just always had a short attention span, and went from one thing to another. My mom's family was Protestant and my dad was Catholic, so right there, that exposed me to twice as much junk.

[kafka]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1868898' date='May 16 2009, 05:08 PM']Just wait until your my age, and people will ask you the same thing. I've just always had a short attention span, and went from one thing to another. My mom's family was Protestant and my dad was Catholic, so right there, that exposed me to twice as much junk.[/quote]


you remind me of Homer (the poet not the cartoon character) or Solomon saying nothing is new under the sun.

[CatherineM]

I'm more of a Marge. Austin is the Homer in the family.

[KnightofChrist]

EDIT TO ADD: I was mistaken, I mixed up Lot with Job. Sorry....


[s]Job's Daughters? What a very odd name to call a group anyway. From what I recall, I believe it was Bishop Fulton Sheen who pointed it out. But Job's Daughters where for the lack of a better word wicked. They seduced their father so that them could become impregnated. The Bible says that there where no other men around but Sheen points out that the writer did not mean there was no other men around but that there where no other earthly men around.

Anyway, their dissidents I believe where wicked and enemies of Israel.

I'll see if I can find that talk and get some better data...[/s]

Edited May 16, 2009 by KnightofChrist

[Hassan]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1868912' date='May 16 2009, 05:43 PM']Job's Daughters? What a very odd name to call a group anyway. From what I recall, I believe it was Bishop Fulton Sheen who pointed it out. But Job's Daughters where for the lack of a better word wicked. They seduced their father so that them could become impregnated. The Bible says that there where no other men around but Sheen points out that the writer did not mean there was no other men around but that there where no other earthly men around.

Anyway, their dissidents I believe where wicked and enemies of Israel.

I'll see if I can find that talk and get some better data...[/quote]

I thought that was Lot?